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  2. Ericsson needs to sit

    Seems the consensus is that he's player better this year. Maybe you all are right, I'm a tad bias as I vomit at the sight of him. That being said, do you think the fact that he's playing better, has good size, could be considered a "veteran", could make him a viable trade asset/piece? Or is his salary hit still too large$ for another team to consider? I want him gone!!
  3. 11/19 GDT - Avalanche at Red Wings - 6:00 PM EST

    Epic meltdown. This team, man. Got a point out of it, but all that’s going to do along with flip flopping other losses and wins is contribute to the bubble team status and a tenth overall pick or so. I know they won’t tank, and aren’t bottom feeders, but that’s Holland and his band aid fixes. Team would get destroyed in the playoffs, but isn’t bad enough to enter the top pick lottery. Doesn’t seem like his approach will change either.
  4. Off topic in this thread but figured I’d reply. Haha I dunno how the Mrazek thing will turn out. Howard is getting the bulk of the starts. Not that he shouldn’t, he’s been great. Petr gets one here and there. Hard to get in a groove like that. Seems when he gets a start, even if it’s a win, he sits the next game. Think he played two in a row once? Howard can lose a game and still get the next start. Seems like Blash has his mind made up who he’s riding at this point. Unless Howard is injured or his play declines, that’s probably how the season plays out, with Petr getting one of five starts, unless it’s a back to back situation. I dunno what Holland’s plans for him will be in the off-season if he doesn’t get in many games. Still RFA, so i’d guess resign for less or trade, but might not get much for him. I can’t see a trade happening while he’s still at his current salary and barely playing. Seasons still young though, things can change in goal I guess.
  5. Ericsson needs to sit

    He will never sit. He actually looks a bit better this season. If he didn’t sit before, he absolutely won’t now with the slight improvement. Still a slow ass pylon though. If he’s your one defender one on one or two on one, it’s gonna end up being the goalies problem to solve, if he can.
  6. Ericsson needs to sit

    F*** off with your rational. Smith sucks because he's stupid. Remember that one time he batted the puck with his glove while sitting on the bench? What an idiot. By the way, Babcock is God.
  7. The MANtha watch.....

    Nah, not really. Maybe an outside chance of being as good as Mantha, but I highly doubt it. I hope so though...
  8. Today
  9. Ericsson needs to sit

    A lot of what makes a pro player go is confidence. When an offensive defenseman is given no PP time, plays on the PK, and is told to do the things he doesn't do well instead of what he does do well, that's going to hurt his confidence. Babcock was trying to prove what a great coach he was by molding Smith into an all around defenseman, and I think it destroyed any confidence he had in himself, and he started overthinking everything. When you have to think before you do it in pro sports, you're going to be behind the play every time. I don't think he was ever going to be a top pair D, but I think he could have been better had he been allowed to play his game the way he was used to and work on the defensive side also, instead of being forced to concentrate only on the defensive side.
  10. The MANtha watch.....

    You don't think he has the potential to be a top line winger?
  11. The MANtha watch.....

    Umm No...
  12. Ericsson needs to sit

    Except Smith didn't get to play with Lidstrom... Instead, he played with the juggernaut Doug Janik that season... Oh what could have been if he were given that opportunity to play with Lidstrom though...
  13. The MANtha watch.....

    Execpt they have a potential replacement for Mantha in Svechnikov, and it's easier to find those types of wingers than d-men in the draft. The Preds failure was no offense. Larkin, AA, Svech, and the rest of the players they have without Mantha mean that the Wings won't have that issue.
  14. Well he had a great rookie season in Grand Rapids, and an even better sophomore season, finishing top 20 in defensive scoring, while playing less games than virtually everyone ahead of him. He finally got called up in November for injured Ian White, in which he played very well, and put up 2 assists in a short 3 game stint. Got sent down again when White returned to the lineup, and put up 10 goals, 27 points in 36 games for the Griffins. He then got called up for the rest of the season in late February, where he put up a goal and 5 points in 11 games, while playing very good hockey paired with Kronwall. The sky was the limit at this point in time. The following season he once again started in Grand Rapids (probably shouldn't have), despite being better than White, Lashoff, Quincey, Huskins, or whoever else was ahead of him. That may have shook him a little, but still managed to put up 5 goals, 20 points in 32 games for the Griffins. He got called up for the first time in January, to one of the worst defense corps we've seen in recent memory. This is the first year after Lidstrom retired and we had Kronwall, Ericsson, White, Kindl, Smith, Quincey, Lasoff, Colaiacovo. Smith wasn't given much help coming into that mess. I don't think it helped at all when Babcock tried to mold him into a defensive defenseman, playing penalty kill rather than power-play. This organization did have a tendency to make players think defense first, rather than allowing them to play to their strengths. If we kept our 2004 1st round pick, and taken Mike Green, maybe he would have gone the way of Smith years ago. Maybe not, but I highly doubt he would have had those 70+ point seasons. Maybe Smith would have turned out better if he were given a year or two to learn from Lidstrom. Maybe he would have been better if he were drafted by another team. Maybe he would have sucked more if either of these things happened. We have no idea. This is all conjecture, but for me, I don't believe a kid as skilled as Smith was destined to fail, having absolutely nothing to do with his surroundings. I've admitted in the past that he didn't do himself any favors, but I think the environment he was placed in, had a lot to do with why he turned out the way he did.
  15. Ericsson needs to sit

    Like Smith too
  16. Brendan Smith traded to Rangers for 2nd (2018) and 3rd (2017) Round Draft Picks

    Sure, but that begs the question, how was he mishandled?
  17. The MANtha watch.....

    A little nit picky, i know, but I would say more so an elite 1C plus another all star forward.. (ovi and kane come to mind as wingers that are franchise cornerstones). Also, Seguin wasn’t in the top six on Boston because they’re terrible at managing players But I do agree with the overall idea of your post.
  18. Why are we better than last season?

    Where’s the “because we got rid of Sheahan” option?
  19. Bernard the elf from the Santa Clause us creepy af

  20. Why are we better than last season?

    I can almost smell the 1st round draft pick...
  21. Ericsson needs to sit

    I said before that Marchenko reminded me a lot of Ericsson, and man did he ever. Both drafted in the last round of their draft. Both inexplicably overhyped by Wings fans when they first entered the league. Big, stay at home defensemen that weren't particularly good at anything, other than taking up space on the ice, aka, getting in the way. Imagine if Marchenko had the opportunity to play with Lidstrom... We'd have both Ericsson and Marchenko locked up long term at a combined $10M... I'd prefer to imagine if Ericsson never had the opportunity to play with Lidstrom... Big E would probably be over in Sweden for the past several years, the same way Marchenko left for Russia...
  22. No, you're not wrong at all, and I agree with pretty much everything you said here. No one's saying we can't rehash this. I don't mind talking about it at all. I just hate the "told ya so" attitude by some. It's childish, but then again, some users here are very childish, so whatever. I was completely wrong with the projection of Smith and Jurco, and I'm fine with that. But when I say that I think that was in large part due to the way they were handled at the beginning of their careers, and people say, "No, you're wrong. Our organization is perfect." That's what bothers the s*** out of me. I did say that Smith had top 4 potential, and he absolutely did. To say otherwise, is false. I also said that at one point in his career (didn't last long...) he was a top 4 puck moving defenseman, and I stand by that. You may disagree, and that's fine. What do I think of Smith at this point in his career? I think he's a guy that had all the tools, but was never able to put it all together. Was that all on him, or was it partially due to the way he was handled as an up and comer? I still think he was mishandled a little at the beginning of his pro career. Again, you may disagree, and that's totally fine. Same goes for Jurco. A kid with all the talent, but was never able to put it all together. I think Jurco not only had top 9 potential, but top 6 potential. Unfortunately for him, like Smith, he struggled, and lost all confidence in his game. Trying to completely change his game probably didn't help matters much though. So anyway, to answer your question, Smith is a bottom pair defenseman. Jurco may get another shot in the NHL, but will probably play another year in the AHL and head back over seas, where he will be a middle 6 forward. We won both of those trades. Good on Ken Holland. It's not revisiting arguments that is trolling, it's the way you go about it that people consider trolling. The bolded - Case in point. Again, I was wrong in their projection, but you can't say I'm wrong about a hypothetical, something no one will ever know for sure, aka, the reason they failed to reach their ceilings... There are countless factors that go into whether or not a player makes the NHL, and what kind of career they have if they do make it. One major factor in that in my opinion, is coaching. Another one would definitely be mental toughness. Two key factors as to why neither of the aforementioned carved out the type of careers that myself and so many others thought they would. The skill was there, therefore the potential was there. Unfortunately for us, they failed miserably... I'd once again say MOVE ON, but I'm sure you'll try your damndest to spin this to keep the argument going...
  23. Yes, but unfortunately that never happened and we kept playing people like Abby, Helm, even Glendening in Top6 Slots...
  24. No you're wrong. According to the sensitive millennials, revisiting arguments is trolling. It's not what normal people do. It's what trolls do. I was wrong and the fact that you're pointing it out to me means that you must be trolling me because that's what my go-to cop out is in 2017. In fact, you know what CRL. Tomorrow when you screw up at work and your boss walks in to let you know that you screwed up, you should tell him "I'm not listening to you, you're just trolling me to get a reaction"
  25. @McNorfin When in doubt, lock yourself in the bathroom. It's always worked for me!

  26. The MANtha watch.....

    Its true, when you have a 2C who is really a 1C, you have a HUGE advantage. I wouldnt put Boston on that list though, at the time Seguin was on the 3rd line. Also, for Chicago, why did you list a 3C?
  27. Happy Thanksgiving, Peeps

    Lets go Holland!!
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