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ive been quite critical of osgoods sub-par play this year, but this is just getting old. youre beating a dead horse. osgood was decent yesterday, and without that soft first goal it would have been a completely different game.

I know its not a fair comparison because the 07-08 team won the cup, but just to show how bad Osgood has been this season in 07-08 Osgood was 27-9-4, he had 9 losses and 4 otl in 43 games this season Osgood is 7-9-4, so 9 losses and 4 otl in 23 games He has as many losses/otl as he did 2 seasons ago in 20 less games. His GAA also jumped almost a goal a game (2.09 to 3.02) and Save percentage dropped from .914 to .888 I think its hard to call this season a fluke, his gaa is almost identical this season to last season (3.09 and 3.02) and is Save Percentage is almost identical as well (.888 and .887). We dont have the offense to bail him out this year that we had last year, and his record is reflecting that. I think age has caught up to him, he had a great career as a Red Wing goalie and I respect everything he has done. But its gotten to a point that I cringe everytime he is in net and you can almost put 3 goals on the board for the other team to start.

That's right. Instead of argue the post, go after the poster. That brings an intellectual, civil discussion to the table.

It's always been funny how your overly-optimistic view of the Wings doesn't include Osgood. Nothing approaches game conditions. Ozzy was rusty. He started awful, but got better, and made a few big saves in the third. Osgood played the shot on the 4 on 2, which is what he's supposed to do. Why no comments about Bert's bad decision, Kronwall's awful job playing the pass, and Ericsson trying to cover two Flyers at once and ended up covering neither? Or Lebda deciding to help out Stuart by having them both cover the same man, leaving the entire left side of the ice open? The Wings played below par, including Osgood. But I was surprised at how good he looked in the third. That was about the best to be hoped for after the awful start.

1-7-2 That is Wings record in Osgoods last 10 starts. If he was even average in that stretch we could possibly be fighting for the division right now and would be in a lot better shape for 4th at least. 4 pts in 10 games is horrible from your backup. Are we seeing Ozzie's last games in a Red Wings jersey? Coaches obviously have no confidence in him, given the start streak Howard has gotten. Do we go into next season with him as our backup?

I voted 'no'... but I'm not allowed to say why...

To be fair to Babcock, if this team consistently played bad in front of Ozzie from November on until now we very well could be looking in at the Flames. Ozzie gets 5 more starts and only 1 win we aren't in. We clinched while being 5 points up. Babcock did what he had to do to get us into the playoffs. Honestly, can anyone guarantee that Ozzie would have improved and the team would play better around him with more starts? No. Babs did what he had to do.

Ill start by saying I like Ozzy and respect what hes done, however facts are facts and you can tell how deflated the boys get every time he lets an early weak goal. Sorry Oz, but this is Howards team now.

Other than the first goal Ozzie played well. Not great but then again he hasn't really played in forever. But he was better than usual. But he needs to be sat. He's just too out of the loop now to use him. Babcock really dropped the ball on the goalie situation. Hopefully over the summer Ozzie can get his stuff together and get a fresh start next year.

I'd rather have the 19 straight playoffs appearances, but Congrats to Hossa (I hate Chicago so this is the best I can do)

In all of Howard's starts: (for the sake of clarity I'm just going to use the "record" used before instead of listing every start and how he did. 18-11-12-12-2-1-1-2 So he was scored on within the first 10 minutes 18/58 times. To compare: Osgood's "f*** I got scored on early!" percentage: 42% Howard's FIGSOE percentage: 31% Not factoring in first shots (or shots within 5 minutes of the game) allowed for either goaltender. Also Osgood's record in his last 10 starts was 2-6-2 before the Philly game.

Well if your going with the Osgood is cold excuse, then im going to take the Howard is tired excuse. But what i was actually saying is osgood has sucked all year, howard had an off game. So yes there is a huge difference.

The big reason I hope we move on from Osgood is the hope that we'll get a solid reliable backup for Jimmy. Think about it, if Jimmy got hurt tomorrow and was out for 4-6 months, chances are we would be in big big trouble. So hopefully next season we'll have a capable consistent backup that would be able to come in if the worst happens to Howard, and we can all still feel confident about our team's chances. Howard's durability right now could literally make or break our chances of bringing home Lord Stanley's Cup. I pray that he stays healthy for the rest of the season and post season.

I felt that the team protected Osgood very well in this one. However, the goalie needs to make saves regardless. He gave up three goals on the opposition's first four scoring chances. That's really bad.

i want ozzy to play crap just to shut up you guys who are on his nuts, ozzy is garbage.

Damn, I was hoping for the 5th seed. Guess we'll have to settle for the 6th seed instead.

I'd love to see Osgood get torched in this game... so we can finally stop seeing posts from the few remaining fools who think he should be starting in the playoffs.

This is just to keep Howard from getting injured - nothing more nothing less. Why expose you starting goalie when you don't need to?

Here is my contribution. I have an idea for another one I will do tomorrow.

I found this after looking for some high-res pictures for a background, and I have to say I think it is funny that Stuart of all people is going after the beach ball since he has been swiping away countless stray pucks from behind both Howard and Osgood this season.

Was there already a thread on it?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=510915&...vid=DL|NHL|home

I was about to blast you for putting in players who didn't hardly play in the 2000s but then I read 90s.

I don't think it matters since Luongo doesn't play for the Wings. Osgood has a cup in this decade and Luongo doesn't have a single Western Conference appearance to his name. Hasek you have an argument for, but not Luongo.