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  1. 3 points
    T-Ruff

    Tim Thomas.

    It's not a coincidence because one caused the other but it also has nothing to do with his political affiliation. Taking out the politics this is what he did: Made a controversial decision becoming a distraction for his team and justified his decision with public statements. He later refused to comment on these public statements, not helping the media distraction factor. Now he wants to sit out a season and it will cost the Bruins $5 million on the cap even if they suspend him (source) or send him to the AHL because of his contract. So again, people aren't hating on him because of his politics, they are because he's a dick. EDIT: as the original source says they Bruins will have the choice of "tolling" his contract making them owe them one more year if he does return, but in that case his $5 million will count against the cap in both seasons [source]
  2. 2 points
    Jim Rome would take Nick over Orr. Not that the guy knows anything about hockey (or any other ESPN analyst), but just throwin' it out there. For some reason ESPN's always had our back, dating back to the Thorne days when the entire broadcast was centered around us.
  3. 2 points
    WizardOfOz30

    Tim Thomas.

    But it's not just his business, he is making a selfish decision that could potentially affect the Bruins financially . Plus he signed a contract, I don't understand why everyone seems to think it's ok to break an agreement. That is a general statement for the mindset that seems to be common now. If you agreed to something hold up your end of it or make sure you make amends for not doing it and you better have a damn good reason too! I say if he wants the year off he should have to pay any penalty that the Bruin's might have to burden. And if he chooses to retire, I saw somewhere that the Bruins would still owe him money...he should have to forfeit it.
  4. 2 points
    I nearly threw my chair across the room and prepared to punch you from over 3000 miles away as the crow flies... but the granite settled me down I was born in the 1990 so I don't remember those pre-Madonna days but I'm sure they were better for the overall standard of music
  5. 2 points
    Wings_Dynasty

    Excited and Optimistic

    First off, let me say that Nick Lidstrom is one of my top 5 favorite Wings of all-time and in my opinion the best defensive defenseman of all-time. Now, his (expected) retirement is a major chapter in the history of this team. I for one cannot remember any second in the last 20 years as a Wings fan where I thought that Nick Lidstrom was a liability. On the contrary, I felt that a 50% Nick Lidstrom was an upgrade over pretty much any other defenseman that the Wings could have put on the ice to replace him. Now we as Wings fans finally get to see what we have consciously dreaded but somewhere deep in our collective subconsciousness have always wondered. "What will the Wings look like without #5?" I am (as the thread title bears) excitedly optimistic, and here are some reasons why: 1. We are already a good team - had this happened in a year where we didn't already have a strong core of players (say 2000) I would be pulling my hair out. But we have a Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, and even White to fall back on as a solid core of defensive players to build around. Not to mention the great 2-way forwards we have developing (Flip and Helm) and the ones in the minors. 2. We have SO much money - We just gained $6 million more chips in the Parise/Suter/Semin games. I would much rather have had only $3mil more (with the 1 year extension of Lids) but we have to look at what we have. I don't know the exact numbers, but if we drop the players to FA that I think we are going to drop (Stuart and Hudler) then there is even more money. I think we are looking at a summer where we sign 2 big FAs and a couple role players. 3. We are deep - Half of the Griffins played last season, and I wasn't really put off by any of them. In fact, a couple I would have wanted to take a roster spot from some vets that were having off seasons or were playing for less than they were being paid (Cleary, Hudler, Franzen). Smith, Tatar, Nyquist, and Mursak all looked good in the short time I got to see them and I think at least 2 GRGs will have roster spots on the big club this season. and finally... 4. What else could you ask for? - I mean, come on, he has left a HUGE impact on the current roster and his presence will be felt for years. Other than retiring after winning a Cup (which probably wouldn't be likely since he would probably feel that he still had something in the tank) or winning another Norris, what else can he really do to excel? I don't blame him for calling it a career, maybe he will stay with the Wings as a European scout or a director of something, or, I daren't say it aloud, decide to take an upper management position that was said to be vacated when he retired... Anyways, good luck Nick and thanks for being the wall in front of the goalie.
  6. 1 point
    You acknowledge they are both RFAs and then pencil them both in the line up. That is not possible as you would be giving up the same compensation for both of them. In any event, I think the other teams would match. I think it would be foolish to offer sheet any one, because it will come full circle and someone will target a player of ours (at some point) and make us overpay to keep them. Perhaps they come right back and offer sheet Brendan Smith the following year... A cap of 70.3M is very unlikely if/when the CBA is negotiated and who knows how cap hits will be calculated. So, I wouldn't put Suter in at 6M. ... He is going to get paid and I think if it is calculated the same, it is north of 7 for an average...
  7. 1 point
    Kane would be worth the draft choices, he is the type of player the Wings need
  8. 1 point
    vladdy16

    Throw the bank at RFA Shea Weber?

    I was completely on the Weber bandwagon until he manhandled Hank. Even if he were a Wing and did that to a Pred, I'd still lose all respect for him. And if Hank's captain, what would Weber do to make things right? Hank can say all is forgiven, but Hank's only human; what would it take to actually work well together?
  9. 1 point
    Why is it, when we talk about "floaters" in the NHL, it always seems to be European players? Do these Euro's just don't care when it comes down to it? Is the NHL not as important to them? Do they get their money and just mail it in for the rest of their careers? Are there any North American floaters? I am not singling out the Euro's, but it just always seems when the word "floater" is brought up, it seems it is always referring to a European player...More times than not...What about the term "locker room cancer" I hear this thrown around alot and that seems to have been said more so of Euro's too, but at least I have heard it about a few NA's...strange if you ask me...wonder what is behind this...coincidence?
  10. 1 point
    Yep, Kings are gonna win it.
  11. 1 point
    Nope. Wings win 4 Cups in 11 years. Devils would be 4 in 17. Also consider that the Devils actually missed the playoffs twice during that span (once being the season immediately following their first Cup).
  12. 1 point
    He didn't even look! What a shot to the short side!! The Divers lose again!! esteef
  13. 1 point
    both games werent that good. Glad the Kings won though. Yay.
  14. 1 point
    Kings win Jeff carter
  15. 1 point
    Very inconsistent reffing in these Finals so far. But hey, that's what we've come to expect from the NHL...
  16. 1 point
    Scuderi = most under-appreciated D man in the NHL.
  17. 1 point
    Dekeyser isn't Red Wings property. He's still in school at Western Michigan and he's still a free agent.
  18. 1 point
    rick zombo

    Red Wings Next Captain

    This thread shouldn’t have made it to 4 pages. Zetterberg will be captain, and no one else is really even close.
  19. 1 point
    Remember when everyone hit the panic button and wanted to see this kid rot in prison for all eternity lol? Good for him.
  20. 1 point
    SouthernWingsFan

    Tim Thomas.

    Zero sense this makes. As for the political dealie/skipping the White House celebration, I think it's a bit of a reach to see how these two specific things are connected. Happened months and months ago so I don't see why it is reason to be brought up when him possibly skipping out has probably little or nothing to do with politics/government. And as for him skipping out, was his choice and his business. Don't really agree with it but I understand and respect his decision. All I'm going to say on that since I pretty much have given up talking politics in depth a long time ago.
  21. 1 point
    No more crystal meth for you.
  22. 1 point
    kipwinger

    Tim Thomas.

    media queen Tim Thomas may sit out next season. Boo Hoo. Next.
  23. 1 point
    MabusIncarnate

    Excited and Optimistic

    I'm starting to get a bit sick of people ripping on this team and discrediting what we accomplished this past season because we got knocked out in the first round. WE STILL HAVE A GOOD TEAM. We finished the regular season OVER 100 points, again. We broke A RECORD for the most consecutive home wins, and yeah, the Preds got the better of us in the first round, and if you haven't learned by now that the NHL playoffs are wildly unpredictable then it might be time to move on to a different sport. We got knocked out, s*** happens. We won't win the championship every season. The Bruins, Canucks, and Penguins all fell in the first round this season, I don't tend to browse on other team's forums but are they all panicking and claiming the end of an era? Are they bad teams that are in desperate need of a rebuild or high value signings because they lost in the first round? It's the core of this team that makes us competitive and a playoff team season after season. If we finished 5th seed and we are a bad team, then LA and NJ must be awful. Oh and i'm sorry our 6th round pick Mursak isn't a superstar after 44 career games.
  24. 1 point
    Krayzie_Bone

    Excited and Optimistic

    LMAO the Red Wings do not have a good team? How many wins at home in a row? Making the playoffs means you at least have a good team. Sure its not a great team or anything but thats the way of the road.
  25. 1 point
    Frozen-Man

    Excited and Optimistic

    The words may be his but you ripped them out of his context and put them into yours, completely manipulating what he said.
  26. 1 point
    xtrememachine1

    Excited and Optimistic

    I don't mean to minimize the loss of Nick Lidstrom, arguably the greatest Red Wing of all time. His loss will be felt in our lineup and in our hearts. However, losing Lidstrom doesn't mean the Wings are going to be a crap team now. We have a ton of cap space and a smart front office. We'll never replace Nick Lidstrom, but that won't stop them from trying fill that void. Plus, it should be mentioned that there are 29 other teams out there that didn't have Nick Lidstrom this year and two of them are playing for the Stanley Cup right now. The last 4 Stanley Cup champions, won without Nick Lidstrom. We can too. Will it be harder? Of course. Is it impossible? Not even close. We still have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Howard, Kronwall and whomever we sign with the insane amount of cap space we now have. Being sad about Lidstrom retiring is one thing. It hurts, its going to hurt. He's been around for 20 years and is connected with pretty much all of the success we've enjoyed during that time. But don't be upset or worry about the state of the team because of him leaving. We'll continue to be competitive with the elite talent we still have.
  27. 1 point
    rick zombo

    Excited and Optimistic

    No offence, but I think this is just selfish fan talk. I think if you asked Nick he would prefer if Holland looked after the future of the Wings franchise rather than mortgage it to give him, as an individual, one more shot at the cup. But maybe you feel differently.
  28. 1 point
  29. 0 points
    Guest

    Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

    I may have exaggerated a bit to make a point and I'm not advocating to do this but if you were to play Abby 19 mins a game on THE top line with 3 mins of PP time, he would probably score 20 goals certainly a lot more than he has in the past and he IS a lot more physical, better defensively and on faceoffs than Jokinen. He scored so much because on the Panthers he played even more. How many playoff points has he scored? Smith isn't ready but his teammates in Wisconsin who weren't as good as him are? Or is it that they were given an opportunity that he wasn't?
  30. 0 points
    Guest

    Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

    I think if you give Abdelkader a lot more ice-time play him a lot on the PP and have him playing with Iginla all the time, his production would be similar to Jokinen's except he would be much more physical, better defensively, better on faceoffs, and most importantly play with a lot more heart
  31. 0 points
    Guest

    Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

    Holy deja vu Heard all kinds of crap just like this in 2006
  32. 0 points
    The world isn't over on July 1st if Holland doesn't get Parise or Suter (not until December 21st) there are plenty of Plan 1a options out there that will cost a ton less... These players have all been mentioned or listed by us, news media, etc... plenty of times so I won't get into the names. Do I want Suter and Parise? Sure! But if we don't get both or even one, Holland will have his tricks up his sleeve. The only thing I hope is that if they sign elsewhere, its because someone overpaid them, not because of personal feelings towards Detroit or that Holland only offered them $5M or something. The only way I am mad at Holland is if these guys wanted to come here, bu Holland didn't offer them enough. If they signed aomewhere else for $7.5M or less and expressed interest in coming to Detroit for the same salary, then I will be upset with Holland for not wanting to pay them...but like I said, I hope Holland tries to get both and offer's them a huge salary to come here, but if he tries (without lowballing them) and they don't sign here, that is fine too, just make this better and I will be happy!
  33. 0 points
    Dominator2005

    Andrei Markov

    Holland isn't stupid, he will not trade for a FINISHED player (Markov). As "Andy Pred 48" said, I would go for Emelin (Yemelin) - who reminds me of Konstantinov / Kasparaitis
  34. 0 points
    Hockeytown0001

    Tim Thomas.

  35. 0 points
    ShanahanMan

    Excited and Optimistic

    We do NOT already have a good team, otherwise we wouldn't have had our asses handed to us in the first round. Datsyuk and Zetterberg have nothing to do with the absence Lidstrom will leave on the blueline and Kronwall, while a solid player, is no where near Lidstrom level and, in my opinion, never will be. We are NOT that deep, as most farm boys who we've been giving shots to have really been disappointing thus far. Kindl, Emmerton, Mursak to name a few. You think these guys are the future? Sure, there's potential in Nyquist and Smith but it's way too early to tell and I see 3rd line at best. I mean, Babcock himself commented on his brilliantly after we got eliminated, basically saying we were putting 3rd and 4th line guys on our 1st and 2nd. I mean, Abdelkader a 2nd line center? Give me a break. We may seem like we have a lot of money, but considering the scarcity of the FA market this summer, expect the star players to command big big bucks. And we know how Holland feels about "spending". Well, other than bloated 10 year+ contracts that is. You know what we could have asked for? Our GM to give our star player and captain a better team to support him his final season. Otherwise, maybe he wouldn't "lack the motivation and drive to continue" (his words not mine). Seriously though, how does the sand taste?
  36. -1 points
    ShanahanMan

    Excited and Optimistic

    Sorry, that quote was referring to last year.
  37. -1 points
    frankgrimes

    Red Wings Next Captain

    Whats up with all the Franzen hate? Hes had what? 1 ! bad season and people are already throwing him under the bus.
  38. -1 points
    esteef

    Tim Thomas.

    I couldn't care less about the politics, I just think it's funny that there wasn't the level of hatred towards Tim Thomas that there is now until he stepped into the political landscape. Suddenly he's a jerk! esteef
  39. -1 points
    VM1138

    Tim Thomas.

    Yeah, everyone loved Tim Thomas until he expressed his opinion. It's amazing how petty people are.
  40. -1 points
    Vladifan

    Tim Thomas.

    Promise? Can't stand the Prima Dona Ice Queen.
  41. -1 points
    I agree with you, that's the risk you run. But it's never really been in Holland's nature to grant spots on the team to guys based on talent alone. I'm not really worried though, with Smith, Dekeyser, and Ouellet developing I think we're in pretty good shape in the "Prospects with Potential" department. Edit: Well I guess I should take a step back. Is the kid so skilled that he's in the Toews, Crosby, Stamkos department? I mean, is it completely obvious to anyone whose ever seen him play that he's going to be elite, and practically is already? If he's that good, then sure. If not, we've got a development program for a reason.
  42. -1 points
    MabusIncarnate

    Andrei Markov

    Similar to the discussions about Hemsky before he got resigned, Markov is one of those guys i'd take in a second regardless of recent injury concern. When he's healthy he is a high scoring defensive threat, and a good leader. If the price is right, i'd take Markov on this team.
  43. -1 points
    This is the doomsday scenario that Holland has seemed to never planned for. The writing has been on the wall for the last 4 seasons that Lidstrom would be gone, and it's become painfully obvious none of Kindl, Kronwall, or Ericsson were going to be the next top D-man they were thought to be. In the mean time Detroit has also been deficient in the natural goal scorer area. Holland took a chance on Franzen, but he seems to have chosen wrong and Franzen has been nowhere near what hes been before his contract. Now Detroit has been bounced early in the playoffs, the holes in the line up are mounting and players like Carle and Widemann/Semin and Doan will not fill the holes to make this team as competitive that a team needs to be to be real contenders. The point of this is that Holland could have done a better job of transitioning the team so that they wouldn't be dependent on getting two top tier players thought FA in one offseason to stay where they have been the last 20 years.
  44. -1 points
    Communism And then Y2K will happen and the Mayans will start the apocalypse
  45. -1 points
    Because the Red Wings can't suffer from the loss of a great defenseman and they will always be good no matter what Holland and Co do. And a team should never prepare for a future when their stars retire because that never happens ever. And when that never happens its okay because the Wings are incapable of not making the playoffs so they can just insert any player in to the #1 D position and they will magically become Lidstrom. And its not like their are 3 very good teams in the Central not to mention the good teams on the west coast, and the separation between playoff teams and non-playoff teams is over the last few season only 2-3 points. Nope it's nothing like this, its just like those internet myths, Y2k, Mayan Calender and the Detroit Red Wings missing the playoffs due to short sighted management and NHL parity. And if it happens to be true that the NHL is much more competitive and that Detroit needs a top 6 goal scoring winger and a #1 D-man to be able to be a contender for the Stanley Cup, then its wrong to point out these facts because it may piss off a guy with 300 posts.
  46. -1 points
    Yeah the wings dont have a Lidstrom anymore....but no other team has a Lidstrom either lol who said were not preparing for the future? who said stars never retire? who said were gonna put a random d-man in the #1 spot? who said the central division/western conference was bad? you confuse me sir, and your doom/gloom disturbs me.
  47. -1 points
    First preparing for the future usually implies that you don't have to throw big money at free agents to fill huge holes in the line up to stay competitive. Next you seemed to have implied that its myth or a conspiracy that the Wings may not be as good as we have come to expect of them next season. I sarcastically pointed out all the reasons why not filling the holes in the line up could come back and bite the Wings. Well, I tend to follow the Red Wings prospects pretty closely. So here's a quick rundown: Possible pure Goal scorers (high end projections of 30+ goals): Teemu Pulkkinen Tomas Jurco Marek Tvrdon Possible top D-men: Brendan Smith The rest of Detroit's prospect pool are full of boom or bust pass first forwards and borderline NHL energy guys, and second and third pairing D men. Of their last few first round selections only Smith is going to be a good NHL player, McCollum is trash, Riley Sheahan seems to have peaked as a borderline 3-4 liner. Now lets be really really optimistic and say that players like Jurco, Pulkkinen, Jarnkrok, Sproul, and Marchenko all make it to the NHL. Know when this is likely to happen? More than likely 2015-2016. So between then and now there's not much in Grand Rapids besides players like Nyquist and Tatar and Smith to fill the holes the wings have. Now lets take a look at them: Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are goal scorers, they are puck movers, so they don't fill the needs of the top 6 for a legit goal scorer. Now Brendan Smith: hes a blue chip D prospect, but his biggest hole is he is young and he has the offense first attitude. He has the abilities to become a really good top pairing D-man but he needs time to learn the NHL game and mature abit. So does he fill Lidstroms shoes? or even give Detroit a top 20 D man? The answer is no. So now this leaves one option to fill the glaring holes in the line up: Go outside the organization. There are two routes for this #1 Free agency, and their are 2 players on the market July first that fill the needs of the Wings' line up, Suter and Parise. If Detroit doesn't land these two players they can either pick up filler players like Semin and Wideman who both are not nearly as good as Suter and Parise or they can trade. The biggest problem with trading is other teams will want players back, the first players on the list will be Pulkkinen, Jarnkrok, Smith and Filppula, and on top of that they will probably also want some picks. This is bad for obvious reasons first Detroit's farm system is good but its not deep with blue chip talent, there is a lot of boom or bust guys, so trading the players who are most likely to make it in the NHL hurts the Wings in the future (short sighted). There is nothing in Abdelkader's past that points to him being 1/2 as good a goal scorer as Jokinen was. Remember kiddo that Jokinen has been close to 40 goals 3 different times with the Panthers.
  48. -1 points
    Guest

    Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

    Gardiner got more ice time per game than all those guys except Phaneuf, he scored more points than all those guys other than Phaneuf and had a better +/- than all of them. Our young d-men can be carried by 3 of the best defensive forwards in the league
  49. -1 points
    Guest

    Nice Khan article previewing the off-season

    In the Red Wings possession style game a puck moving defenseman is a shut down guy because if we have the puck they can't score. Gardiner actually scored 3 points more than Liles playing ONLY 9 games more than him and getting a lot less PP time but GA and GF/GA wasn't as bad when he was on the ice as was evidence by his -2 (same as Lidstrom last year when he won the Norris)
  50. -1 points
    hockey23

    Andrei Markov

    I've seen a couple Montreal sources (never heard of them so probably unreliable) today say that the Wings are interested in Markov. This comes just a couple days after the GM meetings where Holland said he had some trade discussions. Sounds like Montreal just wants to dump him because of his injury concerns.