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I'll tell you why I feel the need to chime in on Babcock. And this is only from my point of view. I don't "hate" the guy. Or even "dislike" the guy. I read his book, and I actually think that many of his general philosophies about life are spot on (with regard to putting in honest effort and holding yourself accountable). What I can't stand about Mike Babcock, is this tendency to lionize him. I don't like it when anybody becomes larger than life. It's the same reason I always make sure to mention his unpaid taxes when anybody gets too crazy with the "Mike Ilitch is Detroit's savior" stuff. It's the same reason I said Crosby is the better player in the Ovechkin thread that I started. Idol worship isn't really my thing. And sometimes, here on LGW, discussions of Mike tend to trend that way. Anyway, that's why I feel the need to talk about him. Can't speak for anyone else.

I agree that people should give up caring about Babcock, and how great he is or isn't, or was or will be, but I disagree about being pleased to see him and his Leafs doing well... F*** Babcock, but more importantly F*** the Leafs...

5:1 for Wings, Kindl hat trick, Larkin own goal, 37 chewed gums for Babs...

Really, Kip? Joe said nothing about Babs being the best. He even made a point to stress the "among". Yet you feel you have to attack him. Is no one allowed to say anything positive about Babcock unless they qualify it with other coaches who've done the same or better, without you mocking and belittling them? Get over your Babcock hate.

I mean, the guy does everything. He's defensively responsible, he's physical, he can play in the corners and in the crease, he can put up goals and assists, he can play on any line and be effective. Abby isn't an allstar in any capacity, but he's versatile and for one player he brings a lot to the table. 4M+ is fair for both sides.

Dude, look at his team. Look at what they have coming up soon. The guy is not a miracle worker and his message from the start was "its going to take time". It's not like he lied saying his presence somehow magically will translate into instant success. Your suggestion that he is somehow supposed to "fix it fast: is like asking the best mechanic in the world to fix your broken down mustang with no parts and a plunger... that is lame!

Whether Babcock is the best or not, I don't know.. But you could get three best coaches together to coach that leafs team and they'd still suck. Their roster is horrible and they look like the sabers did last year.. tanking for Matthews. I hope they last and because of the new draft lotto, end up with the fourth pick.

I mostly agree with this. I think it's the way things should and eventually will be. But it's clearly a little too soon to completely move on when it's still a thing with pro journalists. See Travis Yost's recent article about The Babcock Effect of him leaving Detroit as just one example. When sports media lets go, specifically the spin doctors at tsn and sportsnet, I'll let go. This. For another 100 years!!!!

Let's keep the conversation to Babcock, not each other, please. That being said, I honestly don't understand why everyone is so all-consumed with Babcock. He was here, now he's not. I wish him no ill will whatsoever and would be pleased to see Toronto do well (but not too well), but I have moved on. We shouldn't be giving Babs a second thought unless and until we meet in the playoffs, or maybe when Olympic hockey is gearing up. Or is it just me?

Wooooo! LGW! Any day we get to beat Toronto is a good day in my book.. hoping for Larkin's first career hat trick. Wings win 4-0. Tatar with the other one.

Let's give Mike and his Waffle Wiffers another notch in the loss column. GO WINGS!

I think Babs proved himself "among" the best in the world, when he willed our injury riddled team to the playoffs. Other years we made the playoffs another coach may not have been able to either but that year especially. We had no business getting in with all those rookies

I want him back so bad... can't wait to watch this team with him in the lineup

I'm sure he just meant "his last cup"......

The profundity of one specific, mostly arbitrary, criterion you mean. Q has more wins because he's coached 18 years to only 12 for Babs. They both have similar winning %s. Even given the wins, it's still only two criteria. I think coaching is a bit more complex than that, and it takes more than two numbers to make a valid comparison. And no, I'm not arguing that ALL opinions are equal. I'm saying these two specific opinions are. (Granted, that in itself is only my opinion.) Don't strawman and don't misuse analogies. Even if you think they aren't exactly equal, you say yourself that you believe Babcock is one of the best. So why is it so absurd that someone might think he's better than Q that you're so offended by the suggestion?

Now this guy^ is an idea man.

i would chop it up to staying on top of players that "may" hit the market. information is king. if holland gets the sudden call...he just hits his notebook, and replies...ummm...no. i'll give you...#*%^ for that guy. go away, "you pancake eating..........."

Nice to see Datsyuk wearing a contact jersey.

This arena is going to be amazing. Awesome to see they are upping the ante to make it even sweeter. The suspended seating/walkway bit from the ceiling is cool. They have that at MSG. Anyways, I plan on going to the site this weekend to fly over it and will update the blog when I do.

I would think it's advanced scouting. We don't have cap room to bring in Phaneuf's contract.

Realistically? Probably just advance scouting in preparation for the Leafs game this Friday. But let's go with the Fowler thing because that would be awesome.

Yea it pretty much is over. The people who thought that Kane raped a woman will continue to think that way while the people who think she was after a quick buck will continue to think that way. No one will change their opinions. The fact of the matter is that she just chose to stop going after him. I know I wouldn't mind reading all the facts of the case, but those won't be coming out for the public to get their hands on. As I said before, if Kane was guilty, he knows it and he will have to live with it. Same goes for the woman if she is falsely accusing Kane of rape. She is going to have to live with her decision as well. http://mobile.buffalonews.com/?articleRedirect=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buffalonews.com%2Fcity-region%2Fhamburg%2Fkanes-accuser-no-longer-wishes-to-cooperate-in-investigation-20151103

Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates the past month. Made a few updates to the blog from a flyover yesterday: http://wingsarena.tumblr.com You can start to see the positioning of the arena bowl in relation to the site now. Looking forward to flying over when they start to build the bowl. As for updates coming into the colder months, as long as it isn't wet out and not super windy, I will still fly. If I can't fly, I will try to get pics best I can from the street level.