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Poor handless Helm

I dont get why you trade a bona fide star, for a guy who COULD be a star. Maybe Edmonton wins long term, but I feel that there are better defenseman out there that you could have gotten if you are going to offer Hall. Bad trade for Edmonton.

The only good thing is he signed before July 1st. At least we didn't get strung along for 3 days while all the other free agents signed like Suter and Parise did.

For the numbers people could be throwing at Matt Martin, Helm will be def. Getting offers, he was one of our players with value. He won't be a wjng next season ans I have a feeling of Martin can get a 3.5-4, helm easily gets 4 aav

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 11m11 minutes ago Montreal, Toronto, Buffalo and a fourth team got to make pitches in person to Stamkos this week. Detroit not one of them. Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 11m11 minutes ago I Detroit would have had its turn but Stamkos began to reel it in and focus on Re signing with Tampa Bay Well that stinks... Screw him then

There is no honor in tanking. It's a terrible idea to purposely tank and I cannot comprehend how some of you suggest it as an option. There are other ways to get back and we'll find our way there.

As bad as the roster looks, and as bad as losing out on Stamkos is, it might be a blessing in disguise. We have to play young players now, we don't have a choice. No free agent that we could woo is going to make us a contender. At this point I wish Kenny would just buyout Ericsson and we go really young on the back end, a bump in the road for one reason during the retool could do a lot of good.

Tanking is stupid. I wish we didn't even discuss that on here. It's embarrassing for the team and it doesn't guarantee anything except YEARS of misery. If we had landed Stamkos, another forward and a defensemen this team could have been a contender. Now we won't be contenders but there are a few moves to be made that can still upgrade various departments and make the team more dynamic. But yeah, let's tank instead and be crap for 5 or 6 years. Grab a couple lottery picks and hope we have enough talent to do something at some point within a decade.

If Darren Helm had hands he would definitely be a 2nd line player. AA absolutely could develop into a 2C - he's only been played half a year - he is going to get better.

I've been saying the Streak is important for a long time. Usually no one listens or responds. Management clearly wants to extend the Streak. Fans need to accept this. They can rail and rant against it, but saying it doesn't matter is silly. It matters and our expectations should adjust accordingly.

He was a top five prospect in many rankings for much of last year. He's exactly what the Red Wings don't have in the pipeline right now. Much more upside with Chychrun than a project like Cholowski. Trading Pavel's contract does nothing for the Red Wings if you don't use the cap space or even worse, spend it poorly now. It was only for one year and the team isn't going anywhere regardless.

I care. I think it's something to be proud of. It's certainly not something that comes easy. It shouldn't be a goal unto itself and I don't think it is. Tanking would be something were I would embarrassed for the team and disappointed in the organization.

This thread is turning into a "is Weber washed up or not thread". I dont think anyone truly believes Weber is a bad player, its just when you are traded for a player of PK's caliber, you are going to be put under a microscope as everyone wants to asses who "won" the trade. Personally I think Nashville won, but not so much based on what hey can both do in 2016, more so the long term implications of this deal. Now with that being said, if what we are hearing is true, PK not being liked in the locker room and creating a divide AND with his no movement clause kicking in July 1st maybe this is the best they could get in return with the short window remaining. Alot of teams are likely unwilling to make a deal with free agency not even starting yet. For me, the killer is Weber contract as the guy has an 8million cap hit until I think 2026. Because of this alone, Nashville wins. Weber is going to be a cap killer for Montreal in 5 years. Subban will likely be a good player for the majority of his contract.

Say goodbye to the bandwagoners then.

I don't want any part of Nielson and that asking price, and I'd much prefer Backes on a short term deal if possible... I'd love to land Okposo, but I can see him getting massively overpaid tomorrow too, especially with Stamkos off the board. I don't think he will get as much as Shaman suggested, but $6-6.5 for 7 years could be a possibility, and I don't want him at that price... I don't see any chance of us landing Nugent-Hopkins. They would definitely be looking for defense, and we don't have what it would take, unless we can talk up the "massive potential" of Marchenko, the same way New Jersey must have with Larsson...

You really seemed to like most of these signings when they happened. Most of us did. Hindsight makes things much clearer though, especially in the case of freak injuries like in the case of Weiss, Modano, and Cole. Frankly, the Wings have had some awful luck with bringing guys in.

That's a great number for Tampa ... 8 for $68m

Agreed. Nevermind the streak. Nobody cares about it, or at least they shouldnt. Making the playoffs is important, yes, but if you're only ever good enough to squeak in, and be bounced in the first round, there's not much point. No sense in throwing big money at band-aids. Stamkos would have at least given us the opportunity to move a piece and get a D-man here probably, then you're talking a different scenario. As it stands now though, I'd rather roll with what we have. If we succeed, great, if we don't, then maybe we get a chance to have that rebuild that we need. Going to be pretty weird though moving into that new building with no real star power. Sure, Z will probably still be here, and Larkin is in the spotlight, but after that, you're still desperate for a star, and top talent not only to market the team, but to enhance the level of play.

Wings never got a chance? So basically it was see how close the hometown team is to competing, then decide I guess? On the lighter side of things, this got me good haha https://twitter.com/nhlonnbcsports/status/748245726128373762

throw 7x7 at Kucherov see if tampa can match. imo hes worth more than stammer

go for Kucherov

I would rather Have Subban

The Captain is continuing what he does best, winning in all sorts of life. Boy oh boy Stevie hopefully it's a sign and trade