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Red Wings drop 2 spots, will pick 9th in NHL Draft
PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to DickieDunn for a post in a topic
A worse record gives you a better chance at a top 3 pick. Tanking is a little more of a risk now, but still better than picking 12-16 every year. Petterson has the frame to be a big boy. Necas should be able to get up to 195 or so, that's plenty big enough. Remember, Kronwall was something like 165 and considered to be too small. When I was 18 I weighed 145, when I was in peak shape, I was at 195. -
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Red Wings drop 2 spots, will pick 9th in NHL Draft
Wheelchairsuperhero reacted to TLGTrico for a post in a topic
First time poster here. This year's draft lottery proved to me that tanking is not a viable solution for improving your team. It seems like anyone can get lucky and win a top 3 pick. As for the draft, I don't think I care who we take as long as they meet 2 conditions. 1. Being consistently ranked in the top 15. 2. Not being an undersized european forward. This means Elias Petterson and Martin Necas are big no nos for me. -
1 pointYou do realize the 2016-17 Red Wings were really bad, yes? ROW: 24 (28th in the league) GF: 207 (24th) GA: 244 (25th) Goal Differential: -37 (25th) Corsi For Per 60 Minutes (5 on 5): 50.1 (29th) Corsi For% (5 on 5): 48.2 (24th) That's the work of a bottom-five team. We want the team to be bad, yes? Well, Bad Team status: attained. Also: We did call up and utilize kids. Not sure which season you were watching. Also #2: Leaning more heavily on kids wouldn't necessarily weaken the team. It's not like Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Glendening, et al. don't make costly mistakes and don't have a hand in the losing. Maybe we ice a more kid-heavy team and finish 10th and pick 12th. Would that be something to celebrate? Also #3: Player development is kind of a big deal. Playing for a bad NHL team and making costly mistakes isn't necessarily good for a prospect who's learning the pro North American game. This is exactly the kind of mentality that the league is trying to discourage. And good on them! "Your organization iced a bad team? Well, don't expect to be 'rewarded' for it. And, no, the lesson you should take from this is not that you should've iced an even worse team. You're a professional sports franchise, not Gollum." The Wings aren't in a hopeless place right now. We missed the playoffs for the first time in 25 years, we're picking in the top ten this year, and we have some good young players that aren't necessarily inferior to the average top-ten pick. (Mantha, Larkin, Hicketts, Hronek, Sambrook, Svechnikov, Saarijarvi, Athanasiou. And we might land Victor Ejdsell, who, from what I can tell, is very promising.) The team is getting younger. We're a bad team (but not actively trying to fail, i.e. we're trying to maintain a winning culture, which is indeed important) and we're probably going to be bad for at least the next three years, no matter what we do. It's early days, but next year's draft class is looking incredibly deep. Rasmus Dahlin is phenomenal. Andrei Svechnikov might not even go in the top five. Players who might've challenged for the top spot in this year's draft class could be available in the 5-10 range. Sucking sucks. But burning everything to the ground is a measure of last resort. It's the pinnacle of pathetic desperation and it guarantees you nothing. Indeed, the most likely outcome is many years of pain with no real "reward." The Sabres got Eichel and they're not a playoff team. The Islanders got Tavares and they're not a playoff team. The Hurricanes got Hanifin and they're not a playoff team. The Avalanche have Duchene and Mackinnon and Landeskog and Erik Johnson (drafted 1st overall by the Blues) and Rantanen and they finished the season with FORTY-EIGHT POINTS. The Coyotes suck every year. The Blue Jackets had their first really good regular season in franchise history...and were blown out in the first round. You can blow it up. Just don't be surprised if it blows up in your face. (Because that's what tends to happen.)
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1 pointYou always say this, but please explain to me how the Leafs "blew it up". They traded 2 players, 1 awful contract, and a few players who were mostly 4th liners/expiring contracts but they kept the majority of their team in tact. Most of their young guys were actually acquired when they were trying to be competitive but just sucked (you could argue similar to our past season). They got Matthews last year partially because they traded Pheuneuf and Kessel, but also because half their team was injured, and they won the lottery. They could just as easily have Pierre-Luc Dubois right now, but fortuntely for them luck was on their side (nothing against him, my point just being with him they would not be as good this year). If the Leafs did what you are implying they did, I don't believe they would be close to as good as they are right now because if they did guys like Kadri, JVR, Komarov, Reily, Gardinar and Bozak would be gone. Luckily the Leafs were smart enough to make calculated moves, get a little lucky and not tank like teams such as Colorado, Arizona, Buffalo, and Edmonton. Tanking usually does not work, the Leafs did not tank. What I want is the Wings to make calcualted moves like the Leafs. But anyways, with that being said, if you can explain how they "Blew it Up" go for it.
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Red Wings drop 2 spots, will pick 9th in NHL Draft
PavelValerievichDatsyuk reacted to kipwinger for a post in a topic
@Buppy, good luck sorting this out lol. -
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2017 ECSF Washington Caps vs. Pittsburgh Pens
krsmith17 reacted to greenrebellion for a post in a topic
No team has repeated since the Wings. Please, if there is a god, do not let the Pens be the next team to do it. -
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Red Wings drop 2 spots, will pick 9th in NHL Draft
krsmith17 reacted to Datsyukian-Deke for a post in a topic
Yea I was disappointed yesterday in the results but I'm not angry. If we make a selection I don't see a big talent drop from 4-10. I still think knowing Holland he trades back to somewhere in the 10-20 range. He loves to acquire extra picks and with such a murky draft I can see our scouts valuing a player in the 10-20 range as much as who we could select 9th overall. -
1 pointFunny thing to say in a year when two teams who had worse odds (one significantly worse) than we did moved up. Lol, trade all the vets except the one who makes the biggest difference. There are two problems with "blowing it all up". One, losing doesn't automatically give you a great player. Even winning the first pick doesn't. And two, blowing it up means you have to do that much more to rebuild. Go that route you better plan on being bad for a long time, and there probably won't be any payoff either. Without missing the playoffs, we have added a number of young guys who are as good or close to the vast majority of those picked by lottery teams. and now we have a top 10 pick to work with. It takes a lot of luck to go from loser to contender. Trying to stay competitive, while drafting well and transitioning to the kids, is just as valid a rebuild strategy.
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2017 ECSF Washington Caps vs. Pittsburgh Pens
AtlantaHotWings reacted to GMRwings1983 for a post in a topic
Hanging out with regular season Bobrovsky. -
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2017/18 reclamation project
Hockeymom1960 reacted to ChristopherReevesLegs for a post in a topic
Tink will score the first goal in the pizza palace, just you watch buckaroo