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You wish you were part of Canada, or more canada was a part of you? But canada is bigger so I think you could be the 11th province. However we don't want you guys. Everyone likes canada

You're probably right, Kenny should've just given AA whatever he demanded, that seems like smart GMing. I'm surprised this needs to be said, but Larkin =/= Athanasiou. One is talking about how he realizes a deal needs to be both beneficial for both himself and the team, the other tried using a KHL offer as leverage. I'll let you figure out why some folks were soured on one but not by the other.

You're dumb as bricks.

Updates yo: If you cant watch vid, Freidman says Karlsson wants to remain in Ottawa but wants new ownership (good luck with that). Vegas deal was never close, Vegas looking at Mark Stone now. Also the Sens have turned to twitter for their new logo... Anyone notice what the bottom row spells? I think the Ottawa social media intern wants out more than Karlsson...

It was funny how AA had his KHL offer rescinded and then still went overseas to train with a team that had no desire to sign him. The whole ordeal made him look like an idiot

The difference is that AA was like one year into his NHL career, hadn't proven anything, was offered a fair deal and balked at it. Larkin has been in the year for 3 years, has proven himself, and isn't asking for a ridiculous amount, nor is Holland coming in low. A deal hasn't been reached yet because they are working on a long term contract, greater money management and planning is required, cap hits, AAV, salary, term, bonuses, etc. Totally different situation here. They really aren't even comparable. 6 X 6 is a great deal IMO. Just think what guys of Larkin's caliber will be making in years 4-6 of that contract. He's a future 1C and likely team captain. 6 mil is beyond a bargain.

LOL. That's a good one. https://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2018/07/red_wings_dylan_larkin_continu_1.html https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/10/18/athanasiou-stunting-his-own-development-with-contract-holdout/

So, negotiating now considered holding out? Sounds to me like someone needs to be held.

I think that's considered more of a public service.

I have absolutely no problem with attaining defensemen through Free Agency and I certainly have no problem with Trevor Daley or Mike Green. (BOTH of whom were signed without giving up assets. BOTH of whom I LIKE.) I won't discuss the shortcomings/strengths of either of these players because it's been done so ad nauseam, but I think most of us (at least the smart ones) can attest to the fact that these guys are not our current, nor future TOP GUY defensemen. They're veteran placeholders. They're good at what they do and service the needs of the team. Without them we've got even bigger holes on the back end. Granted, I, like many other LGWers (and hockey fans in general) do have a penchant for latching onto (debatable) HYPE! defensemen and over-valuing and over-evaluating their worth. We covet them like we might covet our neighbor's wife. We put together CRAZY trade packages or suggest things like OFFER SHEETING them. We know we can't have them but we NEED them. ...and that's the thing. We do need them. Unlike our neighbor's wife, these guys should be attainable. We just have to make the right move. ...and sure, I know that there's plenty of other factors including other suitors, wanting to play somewhere else, a better chance to win, etc. all those things factor in ... ...but for every Bogo, Wiz, Pitkanen ... there is a Yandle or Niskanen or Bouwmeester or an example for today and not yesteryear... say... Trouba... That if we went out and got right now, RIGHT FREAKING NOW, would be a much bigger, impactful, etc player for this team both now and in the future than Mike Green or Trevor Daley or whatever stop gap vet you wanna put in there. Also. Speaking of overrated. Drake. *sheesh*

F*u*u*u*u*CK that talk.

I think if he wants to be a 30 goal scorer he has to get the minutes and evolve his game. I think growing his game would be extremely beneficial to his minutes. That said, i agree, I think this kid clearly has the ability to surpass 50 pts in a season. Not trying to bring you back in, just trying to use you to get my point across. You don't hate AA or think he sucks, just that he has things to work on. And I would agree with you. 2nd paragraph: Frankly, I dont know either.

It’s Dan Cleary.

C'mon Training Camp!

Agreed with most people here. Some people really took those political discussion too far. This is a hockey thread. Keep it that way. Thanks.

Vote for Mabus!! (I kid) Also: about time. s*** was getting old

What? You mean the media and activists were too quick to rush to judgment before all the facts were known and before the accused had a chance to defend themselves? That never happens.