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2 of 4 are washed up vets who should be traded.

How does one say "wideboi" in French? EDIT: Just looked it up. "Le wideboi."

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Yea I'm not sure what more he was supposed to do. As far as I'm concerned, he improved on the one thing I was worried about with him, which was his shot. I like reading Pronman's stuff, but I think lists like this where we're comparing all types of prospects from various years/leagues is basically throwing darts at a board, with a lot of recency bias sprinkled in. Same. I'm still excited about his upside, but I think It's going to take a bit longer than I'd hoped. The fact that he seemed to generate so many good looks every game lessened the blow for me though, I don't know about the actual stats but he looks like a quality scoring chance magnet.

how many 20yo goalies play in the NHL? how many first round pick goalies became superstars? The biggest problem to me drafting a goalie in the first round is the time it takes to get him to the NHL. In the last 10 drafts 7 goalies were taken in the first round. Mark Visentin #27 in 2010 played one game in the NHL, retired. Jack Campbell drafted at #11 in 2010 played 38 NHL games so far, 31 of these games played last season.Malcolm Subban #24 in 2012 played 48 NHL games. Vasilevskij taken #19 in 2012 got the starting job 5 years after being drafted, Ilya Samsonov #22 in 2015 no NHL games probable starter in AHL this year. Jake Oettinger #26 in 2017 remains to be seen where he will end up this year, AHL or ECHL and of course Spencer Knight #13 this year. So one became a starter so far and two have at least some NHL experience. Conclusion: it takes far to long to get any reward out of your first round pick. Especially when you pick top ten, your chances of getting an (close to) immediate return is a lot higher with forwards and a little later (on average) with d-men. That makes it clear to me, never pick a goalie in the first round unless you want to start a rebuild in two to three years and start from the net, because if we draft Askarov in 2020 he might be ready to play in 2024 (if we are lucky). Till then we might have a good goalie already...

I mean, I won't fault him for having his own personal preferences and biases and weighting system. Just means he's human. I can even understand why someone would believe Veleno's nothing more than an unremarkable middle-six centerman. But, to Veleno's credit, he's done nothing but impress since he was drafted and I do think dropping him 20 spots is kind of a bruh move.

I'm assuming Zadina gets the edge largely because he played in the AHL last season. Veleno tore apart the QMJHL, but that isn't necessarily as impressive as doing "just ok" in the AHL. Same with Seider in the DEL, I guess. Then again, Berggren missed all of last season and he's ahead of Kaski, who tore up the Liiga last season. But Kaski's 24. I dunno. I will say this about Zadina: I was disappointed with his Prospect Tournament showing. I really didn't want to come away from it saying Post-Lidstrom Era Red Wings Fan Things like "Kid is so close. No, this is not the same as Jurco and Frk and Sheahan and Kindl and Smith and Pulkkinen and Mrazek and Almqvist. This is totally different. No, I am not copeposting." Kinda surprises me and kinda doesn't. Like I said above, he's coming off a huge season in the Liiga, which is a respectable pro league. Word on the street was every NHL team was making calls on him. I dunno if he's ever gonna find any level of success in the NHL, but if his shooting is as good as advertised, he might be able to carve out a role for himself on an underpowered NHL PP unit as early as this season. Put him in the Frk role and have Green feed him. Better yet, run Kaski and Hronek on the same unit. Hronek has a low-key wicked shot, so you've got two constant shooting threats on one unit (and that's saying nothing of Mantha and AA). The forward on the right wall could set up a Hronek shot or he could set up a Kaski shot or he could set up a shot-fake-set-up from Hronek/Kaski to Kaski/Hronek. Or he could do any number of other things. Point is, options.

https://theathletic.com/1186105/2019/09/12/pronman-top-123-nhl-prospects-entering-the-2019-20-season/ For those of you who like Pronman and think he knows what he's talking about he has just ranked the top 123 prospects (outside the NHL) For non-subscribers, here's the D-boys: 23. Zadina (down from 6th) 30. Seider (previously unranked) 66. Veleno (down from 43) 80. Berggren (down from 66) 95. Kaski (previously unranked) 110. Mastrosimone (previously unranked) 122. McIsaac (previously unranked)

My problem with this notion is it's essentially gambling. Maybe your Binnington shows up in the playoffs, maybe he doesn't. I don't think the Blues win the cup if he doesn't. Plenty of very good franchise goalies have won cups with their teams. Holtby, Quick, Rask, Fleury. In fact I'd say guys like Binnington are not the norm, they're the outlier. At the end of the day you need a very good team in front of your goalie regardless. And that's the risk with taking a guy like Askarov in the first round. We solidify the goalie position but perhaps miss out on a paradigm shifting center or something. Will the team in front of Askarov be good enough to win without that other player? I think that's the question. And maybe its too early in the rebuild for us to consider an Askarov. Though I'd certainly rather draft a good goalie than shop for one. True, that's a scary thought, but IMHO the Habs have been a mess for years and it's sort of their own fault they've squandered Price. It's probably too little too late for Lundqvist with the Rags, but to their credit they were all in trying to win with him for years and I thought they did a respectable effort trying to get that cup. Just didn't happen. I don't think I'd blame Lundqvist for that. What's his face has done an extremely good job rebuilding that team now too. Sames Come again tough guy? I agree that taking a goalie top 10 seems beyond bold. But if this kid is the next dominator or something its at least worth discussing.

I'd rather assume for now that one of Larsson, Eliasson or Petruzzelli emerge as a number one goaltender, of trade for one later on. I know a lot of people believe that you should build from the goaltender out, but I believe the opposite to be honest. Besides, goaltending is such a crap shoot. It's a lot harder to predict where a goalie will be in 3-5 years at 18, than it is to predict where any skater position will be in 3-5 years at 18...

I tend to think you don't really need an elite goalie, you just need good goaltending come playoff time. I know I've said elsewhere, but the three best goalies of this era (Lundqvist, Luongo, and Price) have zero Cups between them and at least two of them completely disappeared in the finals when they had their chance. Why use a bunch of cap space on a guy like that when lesser goalies tend to have just as much, or more, playoffs success?