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My bad. Forgot to add the 9 games played from the previous year. Regardless, Kotkaniemi's first full season (healthy): 79 games, 34 points, +1 Montreal's team average was a +3. They had 44 wins and finished one spot out of the playoffs. Kotka was below his team average in +/- and finished with only a 0.43 PPG average on a better team. Zadina's first full season (lower body injury): 28 games, 15 points, -13 Detroit's team average was a -13. They were on pace to win only 20 games. They finished dead last in the entire league. Zadina had a -13 ( the team average) and a 0.54 PPG average on a far worse team. So taking all things into account: An injured Zadina outperformed a healthy Kotkaniemi both offensively and defensively in their first full seasons despite Zadina playing on a far worse team. And you still haven't explained how Hayton is better than Zadina.

You're a lost cause... I'm done with you... in 3 years when Zadina is hanging around our top 9 on draft position hype alone and you're still saying he's only 23 and he was ranked 3rd and we got him at 6th so he's not a bust I'll gladly say I told you so... until then I'm done. Chat in 3

Larkin obvi. He impacts the game more as a center than Ovechkin does as a winger.

You put Kotkaniemi and Hayton above Zadina despite the fact that Zadina has better numbers. You tried your best to explain Kotkaniemi. Back up why Hayton should be above him. Yeah. Because he was injured for part of it. Just like Kotka was. A false equivalency would be excusing poor numbers because of injury for one player (Kotkaniemi) and ignoring it for another players numbers (Zadina). And even with his injury this season, Zadina still outperformed Kotka's healthy season on a far better team. Another fact you choose to ignore.

Just cancel the rest of the season ffs

I like it, but I think the good play is to keep Howard around 2 more years and give him the starts. Let him get torched and then bring Larson/Petruzzelli in for cleanup. After the opponent has a 4-5 goal lead, they usually don't press to make it a 9 goal lead. That's good for confidence for a young guy. Lets him see the speed of the game, but not face the ultra aggressive net drives that good goalies need to get used to stopping. If Howard will take 2 years, 3 million per to be our scapegoat, sign him up. If not, let him go and move onto Murray.

Is inconsistency, flat out sucking this year, and loosing his job to another goalie a few of his "intangibles"? In the end, all I'm getting at is a rebuilding team should not be trading for uncertainties like Matt Murray. He started off hot and won two cups, no doubt. But he has been a mixed bag in the three years since. Holtby won a cup too, and I wouldn't touch him with a 50 foot pole in UFA. I also will not be baited into yet another Laffreniere vs Rossi debate, and here is why: It's a waste of time when you refer to Laffreniere as "simple Canadian minds getting moist over a one-dimensional winger." 1. You need to look up the definition of one-dimensional, because Lafreniere ain't it. 2. Rossi will top out as a second line center in the NHL.

Ummm....yeah, they do impact the game more. You being snarky about it doesn't make it untrue. Also, it's not just faceoffs. Literally every coach's system from the minor leagues to the professional level requires more defensive responsibility out of centers than wingers. So Kotkaniemi and Rossi score as much (or more) than Zadina and Lafreniere despite having to do so much more every single game. It's actually a pretty straightforward argument, though I wouldn't expect a Canadian to understand it. While you dingbats are getting moist over the one-dimensional guys who score pretty goals everyone else is content winning Stanley Cups. It'll be 20 years before you realize that Draisaitl is better than McDavid too. That's why you losers can't win anything important.

Ahh, right. I forgot, stats only matter when they support your argument.

He's an excellent 1B goalie... he was this team's MVP this season IMHO... can we upgrade, yup for sure... I like Murray or Lehner as the 1A say a 50/32 split.