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8:01 AM October 9th: The Detroit Red Wings have signed Derek Forbort and Colin Wilson to matching $3 mil AAV 2 years deals. The Red Wings are done for the offseason.

I'm down lol

JVR is still a very useful player. Sooooo, I'd trade for him and Philly's 23rd overall. Then flip JVR to a contender and retain about 2.5 million per year, for a couple of 2nds or a decent prospect.

I dont think it will happen. I got the impression that they were thinking a cap dump as he only has 1 year left on his deal, and the Leafs are rumored to be interested in Lehner and Murray.

I don't want this team to suck, but that's the reality right now. We need to be patient, and do this rebuild the right way. No quick fixes. No shortcuts. We do need to get younger, and we shouldn't be mortgaging the future for older players. This team is going to improve on last season. How can they not? Gradual improvements will turn into much bigger rewards. Fair enough. I just don't see the payoff outweighing the cost here. As a rebuilding team, I would take a good center that we can potentially flip for more assets, that doesn't cost anything other than cap space, over a very good center, that would likely be a rental (could also flip), that costs multiple assets. If Danault is as good as you seem to believe, he's going to cost a LOT, which I personally wouldn't be comfortable paying. Hell No! I wouldn't give up two young, middle six (potentially top six) centers / wingers for one older top six center. Again, if we're at all close to contending, these are the types of trades you make. Not in the midst of a rebuild...

To DET: Danault + Romanov To MTL: Zadina

I expected 2.5 mil per year, but I was thinking 3 years. I am 100% fine with this contract. Kid played well, and I think he can be a decent top 6 (or 9) player for us.

Everyone should move up. Or they should just skip arizonas pick or something.

They still pick in the same spot no? Also, you're right. The NHL would never do anything unfair come draft time...........

As one might expect, I have no interest in Babs. I think bringing him on would probably improve the team, but only marginally given our talent level, and we'd end up looking a lot like the Wings from 2012-2015 (i.e. a handful of decent players grinding games to a halt to win). In a more general sense one has to wonder about Babs' overall approach after this debacle in TO. That's as winning a roster as you're ever gonna get, and to have the results he's had has to leave you wondering what's going on? He's got all the offense a guy could ask for, in all different varieties. I'd agree that moving on from guys like JVR and Kadri was perhaps short sighted, but it's not like they were replaced with bums. Their defense WAS weak a couple years ago, so Dubas went out and acquired genuine top four talent in Muzzin, Barrie, and Ceci and they've done well developing Dermott and Liljegren as well. Their goalie situation isn't great, but their starter is good and I think it's pretty thin to blame this dumpster fire on a backup goalie. Like I said, this is as good a roster as most coaches will have in their entire careers. Which brings me to... Peter Laviolette. Won a Cup in Carolina with absolutely nothing. Went to the Cup finals with a good, but not spectacular roster in Philly and lost to a dynasty team. Then took a good, but not spectacular, Nashville team to the finals and lost to another dynasty team. He's actually done what Babs always gets credit for (i.e. win with thin rosters), he's got just as many Cups as Babs in just as many tries, and is the only guy to ever beat Babcock in the Olympics (for people who think that matters). If he's available, I'd be more than thrilled to see Laviolette behind Detroit's bench. I've been a fan of the guy's for a really long time, and I'd love to see an offensive coach take advantage of this team's speed and skill going forward.