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  1. Mrazek "Maturing, could bounce back like Howard"

    I don't know if anyone's heard, but Mrazek had a s***ty year last year.
  2. Athanasiou Signed 1 year $1.4 mil

    What potential? Two years he couldn't crack the AHL, and is back in the ECHL this year. Newer does not equal better. No good reason to think he's anything more than a less developed version of McCollum. I think even if we had resigned him we probably still would have picked up McCollum (as insurance in case we lost Coreau or were able to trade one of Mrazek or Howard, as much as anything). Nagle likely wouldn't have been signed.
  3. Sheahan and a 5th for Wilson and a 3rd

    Lack of trades only in the context of the team has declined and trading is something you can easily point at and say could have been done differently. If Smith had become the next Rafalski and Sproul had developed into a stud #1 and we we're coming off a Cup win instead of missing the playoffs, no one would be making lame "Trades are hard" jokes or wanting Holland out and someone else to come in and shake things up. Conversely, if we had gotten Green, Daley, and Dekeyser via trade people would still be complaining, just with slightly different complaints. I don't believe "DO SOMETHING!" is at all justified. One, because it doesn't really mean anything. Like saying "AAARGHH!!!" is a valid complaint. It's nothing more than an expression of frustration. Secondly, we have done things, they just haven't worked very well. That people are so dismissive of that says to me that people would be equally dismissive of anything that didn't work. You can say it's ridiculous, but the fact is that going several years without "adequately addressing" a need is incredibly commonplace. I would venture to say that at any given time, at least half the league could make a similar complaint, and over the last 20 years or so I'd say every team has. I'd say the only thing that's ridiculous is our expectations. This is not to say that trades won't work, or that we shouldn't consider that option. Just that trade speculation should be considered in the same way as everything else. It belongs in your last paragraph with all the other possible, but uncertain, solutions.
  4. Ryan Sproul traded for Matt Puempel

    Sproul wasn't worth anything; any team could have had him for free a few weeks ago. Based on his play last year, he didn't earn any further opportunity. We could have held on to him, and maybe on opportunity would have become available, and maybe he would have done something with it. Or maybe not. I would assume he probably asked for a trade when he was demoted, and Holland did the right thing and found a team that might give him a new chance. I hope he does well and makes it to NY. Always liked him and used to have high hopes for him. Expecting a 2nd for a player who had scored in only 1 of his last 88 games is a bit unrealistic (and wasn't all that good the year before either). Wilson could maybe be worth a 5th, so you could say we did get a 3rd for Sheahan. Pretty good return, given the circumstances. Wilson wasn't "needed" (4th liners never are), but he's an upgrade over what we had. Bertuzzi's still hurt, Svech just got back, and neither have yet shown they can be effective in the NHL. Turgeon has yet to show he can perform consistently in the AHL even.
  5. Sheahan and a 5th for Wilson and a 3rd

    The thing with hypotheticals is there's never any end to them. There's always something different that you could have done. So if you base your criticisms off of them, coupled with the assumption that whatever scenario you have imagined would be better than what we have, you're creating an unrealistic standard. Pretending for a moment that the lack of a big trade is actually what's bothering people, we shouldn't assume that it is only a matter of Holland being unwilling to make a trade. While it may be safe to assume that we could have made "a" trade, even a trade that people would consider "big", that doesn't mean that whatever specific trades you might have in mind are or would have been possible. Furthermore, we shouldn't act like making whatever trade is so certain to produce better results. As much as we like to think so, hockey teams are not the sum of their parts. At least not in any way we can really understand. Big moves sometimes have little to no impact, or even negative impact, and small changes sometimes result in big differences. Burns, on an individual level, was as successful as you could possibly hope when making a trade, but San Jose as a team became worse. Dallas, apart from the one season, hasn't been notably better since getting Seguin, Hamilton hasn't made a big difference in his two years in Calgary. But of course it isn't actually the lack of trades that has people upset; it's the decline of the team. Even though most people will acknowledge that it was inevitable, "what-if" is just too easy an argument to make.
  6. Athanasiou Signed 1 year $1.4 mil

    He's a solid AHL goalie, which we needed and is what he was acquired for, and we got him for nothing. Not sure what's so stupid about it.
  7. Sheahan and a 5th for Wilson and a 3rd

    The "trades are hard" thing is just another stupid Holland meme from frustrated fans who think they're being clever. AA is not officially signed yet. Wilson is expected to play.
  8. Sheahan and a 5th for Wilson and a 3rd

    I don't know much about him, but he looks to be a decent upgrade over Booth and Witkowski.
  9. Athanasiou Signed 1 year $1.4 mil

    This would be my guess. Starting today, a $1.387M contract value would pay ~$1.25M over the remainder of the season. The math seems to fit the theory.
  10. All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

    Coyotes planning to steal our logo?
  11. Alex galchenyuk - should we make a move ?

    Got nothing against Galchenyuk, but if we're looking to trade Nyquist (or another forward), it should be for defense, not for a different Nyquist. Not to say we couldn't trade for him and also trade someone else for defense. Nyquist + Tatar + Green for Glachenyuk and Weber ($2M retained)
  12. Athanasiou Signed 1 year $1.4 mil

    Not playing "gotcha", but... What strawman? Pretty clearly making an issue of paying him less than he's worth, and also pretty clearly implying Holland is in the wrong. Are you not saying Holland is wrong? Do you admit that 2x$1.9M is a competitive, fair-market offer and not an insulting lowball offer? If so we can drop it and move on. All the stuff about paying him what he's worth? You say my inference that you don't really care about that is wrong. Ok, I stand corrected; you definitely think AA should be paid what he's worth. But then I'm afraid I have to ask the questions that led me to that inference. Is $2.5M all you think he's worth? Obviously not if you suggest a range up to $3M. And in the post suggesting the 4 year deal you said he would likely outperform that deal in 3 of the 4 years, which I take to mean you think he would be worth more in those years. So you're clearly fine with paying him less than what you consider his maximum worth. I suppose then that would have to mean that you believe $2.5M would be still be within his worth range. Is that true? Assuming so, I would wonder how you come to that conclusion. I would argue that it is too high a minimum value now, and too low in the future. Which leads to some good ol' hockey discussion: I posted that earlier in response to one of your comments on comparable players, but you never responded. We can pursue that if you want. And finally, in response to your last paragraph, I would say yes, that could be a fair resolution. So long as you agree that there are other potential resolutions that would also be fair (For example, if 1 extra year of term should be worth $600k extra AAV from Holland, then not committing for the extra year should be worth $600k to AA, and signing for 2x$1.9M would also be fair. Or more of a compromise and say 2x$2.2M), then yes again, nothing to argue about.
  13. Athanasiou Signed 1 year $1.4 mil

    Not bragging, but I'm the third richest man in the world. Proof:
  14. Opening night roster v Wild.

    I don't yell at fence posts for being crooked either.
  15. Athanasiou Signed 1 year $1.4 mil

    You have been saying Holland is wrong the whole time. You say for offering less than AA is worth, but apparently you mean less than what you'd pay, and paying him less than he's worth is fine as long as it gets him signed. Basically what it boils down to is just get AA signed. Maybe I presume to much to guess how you might react in a different situation, so fine, forget that part. As for what I think is fair, I'd say anything in the $1.5-2.5 range for 2 years is fair. Even higher over longer term. I'd do $4M over 6 years. Point is, I think what is being offered is already within the fair range, and therefore doesn't warrant criticism. Regarding my posting habits, while not really any of your business, my "deal" is only that I happen to value logical, rational, well-reasoned opinions. Something often in short supply on the internet and in the emotional world of sports fandom, I know. I like to pretend that my posts encourage people to put more thought into their posts and opinions. If your bulls*** can't stand up to some scrutiny, learn better bulls*** kind of thing. Probably delusional, but it helps me sleep. I could pretend to be sorry about it if it'll make you and krsmith feel better.