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  1. Here's what your missing:

    If we're talking about the Salary Cap era, you can argue that the Red Wings were at (or near the top) of the "Stanley Cup favourites" list from 2007-2013 - Yes, we had a couple of early round exits in that range, but so did many of this years "favourites" in Chicago, Anaheim, and LA... it happens annually in the NHL.

    The difference is that when our run began in 2007, almost all of the teams you would consider as front runners this year (Washington, LA, Chicago, St.Louis) did not qualify for the playoffs. If you go in depth, Chicago had a run from 1998-2009 where they only made the playoffs once, and didn't win a single round... Today they represent the modern day dynasty, and model of success. The LA Kings had a stretch 2002-2012 where they only made the playoffs once, and didn't win a single round. The Capitals didn't win a round from 1998-2009 - and missed the playoffs entirely in most of those years. The Penguins? They were a ping-pong ball away from bankruptcy and relocation.

    What we have accomplished is extremely rare, and something I will always be proud to hear: We haven't missed the playoffs in 25 years. Let's not forget that the teams we envy today, spent (on average) about a decade out of the playoffs, mixed in with the odd 30th place finish. If you understand the salary cap and the fact it's working, how can you complain about the results we've had?

    I think you're missing my point entirely.

    It's 2016. By the time next season is in full swing it will be 2017. 10 years removed from 2007. Even if you want to argue we were contenders between 2010 and 2013 (which I would say we were not since the results were embarrassed by the sharks and almost swept, almost swept by the sharks again, embarrassed and almost swept by the preds in the first round, and choking away a 3 - 1 lead against the blackhawks,) That will be four years ago. Four years is an eternity in professional sports.

    Guys forget about what happened in the distant past. Look at the here and now. The ship is sinking. It has been sinking for a long time. At some point you have to hold leadership responsible. You can't keep looking to the captain and saying "Well he lead us on some successful voyages a long time ago!".

    Or let me ask the question this way:

    Are you happy with how our season ended this year? What about last year? The year before? What about the one before that one? What about every year going back to 2010? How many of those are you happy with the outcome? The answer should be 0.

  2. Guys the salary cap is still an excuse? EVERY TEAM in the league has to deal with the same damn salary cap. Also he has had eleven years to adjust to it. ELEVEN. You can't keep signing this horrible contracts and making horrible moves and blaming it on the salary cap. That's just ridiculous.

  3. I'd imagine there would be some sort of tax break in there as well..

    Oh great. So not only is it bad enough the tax payers have to shell out half the money (of which they won't see a cent of profit), but now He doesn't have to pay taxes on it either? That would be an outrage.

    Hypothetically of course idk how the details play out.

  4. It's not even possible for Holland intentional control everything with the wings. What would that even mean? He convinced the league to switch to the salary cap? Holland convinced Rafalski to retire early? He arranged Suter to meet a woman and BFF from Minnesota so that we would miss out on that signing?

    He's a poker player trying to deal with the hand dealt. He's trying to make us great again by the way he thinks best with the circumstances of the league. The cap is meant to spread success around - we've fought the economic forces that tear apart success and we're the only team to make the playoffs every year post-lockout.

    People need realize that the most likely alternative to our current 5 year dip in success is not trades and Stanley cups - It's the 10 year tank. I can only imagine the blogs that would be written in that situation. I think we'll be contenders in 3 years - we'll all see how Mraz, Larkin, Mantha etc. develop and if we'll be able to find the missing pieces.

    Hold on Hold on.

    We are 11 (ELEVEN) years removed from the Salary cap being institutied.

    We are 5 years removed from Rafalski retiring.

    We are 4 years removed from Suter signing with the Wild.

    Are people seriously still trying to throw up these excuses? That's pathetic. If you can't adjust to something in 4 years you failed. Period. Let alone 11 years. That's a joke.

    An impatient fan base that expects a Cup every year is what causes teams like Anaheim to fire respected coaches after four straight division titles. He's absolutely dead on about this: If you expect Detroit to compete for the Cup every single year, then in today's league of parity, you are out of your mind.

    Making the playoffs every year is as about as reasonable an expectation as you can get. After that, everything is up for grabs. Look at this year: Maybe you'll be the Tampa Bay Lightning and get an easy first round matchup, or maybe you'll be the Chicago Blackhawks and have to face the St. Louis Blues. Would anyone here be disappointed at a first round exit with the quality of play that we saw in the Chicago/St. Louis series? I seriously hope not. Sometimes it just doesn't fall your way.

    I don't disagree with Holland on this.

    We haven't realistically competed for a cup since 09. That's now SEVEN YEARS. Expecting a team to compete for a cup once in 7 years is not asking too much nor does it make us "spoiled fans". You want to know what fan base is happy just making the playoffs? The Maple Leaves. Is that who you want to be?

  5. what arenas are named after an athletic company?

    I guess I didn't properly convey what I mean.

    Most stadiums are named after banks and financial institutions. While they aren't athletic they aren't anti athletic eitther. Neutral if you will.

    A big fat greasy cheesy pizza is about as anti athletic as you get.

  6. As opposed to profiting that much. It's still a difference of that much money.

    But that's kind of the point.

    If for example Comerica bought the naming rights people might be annoyed but everyone could understand becasue they would have had to have dumped a battleship full of money onto Mr. I's front yard.

    This is simply shuffling money from one of Mr. I's companies to another. He's not making any money by doing this. Sure you could say there's a gain in marketing but I'd argue it's completely negligible anyway becasue who the hell around here doesn't know about Little Caesars already. It's so incredibly self centered for such little gain. Here was a chance really rally the fan base around something and instead he sold out to himself for a marginal marketing effect. No one is surprised by the decision, and of course he but that doesn't make it any less offensive to us.

    This is also ignoring the fact that half of the stadium comes from publicly funded money (I could be wrong though) so why should he get to profit off of the taxpayers capital without their consent? And also ignroing the fact of the gigantic bait and switch with the roof again for marginal corporate gain. And also ignoring the fact IT'S A FREAKING MEDIOCRE PIZZA CHAIN. NOTHING ATHLETIC ABOUT IT.

  7. So I understand why people feel deceived about the appearance of the building and how the LED changing roof is not happening.

    That just seems like a really short-sighted, stupid decision.

    But as far as the name...It's not like they're just giving it to him for free. He's paying millions each year to have it that.

    They were going to sell those rights to someone. It's very naive to think otherwise. Why not Little Ceasars?

    He's paying millions each year.... to himself...

  8. The corporate sponsor aspect is bad enough. But when you hear the words "little caesers" what is the first thing that comes to your mind? A rich history of tradition and a commitment to excellence? Hard hitting in your face action? Skill speed and agility that will leave your breathless?

    No. The first thing that comes to your head is a ****ing gooey fattening greasy pizza.

  9. Some people don't understand parity and what the salary cap does. They can't get over the fact this isn't pre 2005 anymore.

    Boston was the president trophy winners last year. Missed the playoffs.

    LA Kings won the Stanley Cup last year. Missed the playoffs.

    Wow, must really suck to be a Wings fan....

    Boston fired their gm and there's a very good chance they will fire their coach too. Just making the playoffs isn't good enough for them.

    The penguins fired their gm and coach last year for underachieving and let's not forget they have won the cup more recently than us as well as making it past the second round more recently than us.

    The Kings just won a cup last year so their situation isn't really comparable. They are allowed a free pass. But I bet if they miss the post season again next year there will be another gm and head coach vacancy.

    The point is other franchises don't accept making the playoffs as good enough. We shouldn't either. Over half the teams make the playoffs. Just making it means you're little better than average.

    We're 6 years removed now from a deep post season run. Think about where you were 6 years ago and how much has changed since then. It's a long time. And it's an eternity in sports.

    Holland had made plenty of great moves yes. But he's also made plenty of bad ones also and he deserves a good amount of the blame for our post season failures since after all it's his job to run the team and everyone ultimately answered to him. Does that mean we fire him now? No. But the seat should start to be heating up at this point. You only get so many free passes.

  10. There's a thin line between winning and losing sometime. I don't think it's a coincidence, though, that we ended up on the wrong side of that line. We're just lacking that something extra right now to win this kind of game.

    Too many squandered chances in the first two periods.

    Too many squandered chances all series.

  11. What specific moves would you have rather seen Holland make?

    What could/should Holland have done to lure hi-end UFA's to Detroit?

    Again - he's not perfect, but lets take a step back from all of this, and look at the big picture...The Wings are still 1 of the 'better' teams in the league, and unlike LA, Boston, Pitt - we made the playoffs, and we don 't need to clean house.

    Those teams also have had far more post season success in the last 6 years than we have. So that doesn't help the case

  12. Ya I know :(

    We all make mistakes? Lol well it's either him or Tatar and at least Tatar showed a bit more determination to get to pucks

    With athanasiou larkin mantha bertuzzi coming and we got pulkkinen sheahan jurco nyquist Tatar now I think we could afford to give one up

    We got kronwall datsyuk zetterberg for a few more years

    Time for this team to have some balls and make a few changes

    with all the kids coming and mrazek we could trade howard and nyquist and make this team even better than it is now

    Personally I'd rather keep all of them as of now. Also Howard has a NTC so he won't be going anywhere.

  13. Package howard for vlasic .... Workout something for Phaneuf -2mill per yr

    We'd be flying

    Kronwall Phaneuf

    Vlasic dekeyser

    Ericsson marchenko


    Trade nyquist for someone bigger faster upfront ... A nice fast big body 6'3 220 type would be a big time add ... Seeing jurco helm and Tatar nyquist going after pucks against Boyle and other losers from tampa was hard to watch

    Your username makes this really ironic lol