scottyniedermayer

the world doesn't center around the detroit red wings. just because i don't consider that a few of your best players are elite does not mean i don't know anything about hockey. elite = crosby, malking, ovechkin, lidstrom, niedermayer, pronger, broduer. zetterberg and datkuk simply are not of this level.

who? that bonehad jonathan erikson? lol. the truth is that other than lidstrom the wings have a lot of very good players but no franchise types. that includes datsuk and zetterberg - both very good but not elite. there is no one the wings have in their system that you can put that franchise label on.

your making my argument for me. lidstrom is great and he is irreplaceable. once he goes, the team will go too. i'm sorry but it will take 2-3 players to replace him and the wings right now don't have that. you have no near future after osgood leaves (also old).mccollum is ok and won't even be available for another 3 years.

our future is looking a little bit brighter than yours right now. once lidstrom goes, the team will go. you will never replace him. it will be 30 years before you get another guy like that. we have a lot of young promising defenseman and some good young forwards. don't forget hiller is only going to get better.

there's no way the wings are going to be better unless they make a significant trade. lidstrom is one of the all time great defenseman but he's old now. he is basically the centerpiece for your franchise. as he goes, so do the wings. osgood is not an elite goaltender and could play like he did in the regular season this past year. most importantly, i'm not sure the wings will be able to handle the mental aspect of losing to an "inferior" team.

lol you guys still bitter about the cup? so bitter that you are still taking shots at crosby and are now hoping pronger hits him hard when the flyers/pens play? seriously, just get over the fact that you lost and move on. i can understand you being bitter towards a rival like the ducks or hawks, but the pens are in the other conference. you had your chance to beat them, but were outcoached and outplayed in the last 2 games.

crosby was going after the puck. franzen saw sid coming up the boards and saw his chance to hit a smaller player. it was KNEE ON KNEE. sid never saw franzen and certainly didn't expect a vicious hit to his knee. look at the first smaller frame you posted. you can't tell from the larger pic but can from the smaller pic that franzen hit Sid's knee with his knee. if he wanted to go after the pens star players, why didn't he go after malkin? because malkin would have kicked his rear.

i'm not stupid enough to believe you by looking at one frame. franzen made no attempt to go after the puck on that play. he took sidney out with a vicious and blatent hit to his knee. sidney was defenseless at the point. and franzen has a history of being dirty. he got suspended for an entire year back in sweden for knocking down a ref. some things never change. they call him the mule but he's more like a donkey.

he didn't "grab" anything. his arm simply happened to be touching franzen's shoulder like a fly. you're making it sound as if crosby grabbed onto his jersey or something. you are obviosly not watching the replay.

sid never nicked the puck. the puck was going up the boards. sid was going after it. franzen with his oversized body put his left knee and all his weight onto sid's left knee. it was knee on knee. crosby never had the puck. this is arguably worse than kronwall's hit on havlat, who had the puck around his skates but never touched it. notice how franzen never made any additional effort to go after the puck after the hit. he slowed sid up, put his left arm out to impede crosby and simply skated away without much effort.

well ok. we had nothing to do with it. the red wings choked on their own. there, happy?

uum ok. franzen made NO effort whatsover after the hit to get the puck. in fact if anything he slowed up and prevented crosby from getting it. and crosby wasn't holding onto anything. his arm just happened to be on franzen's shoulder but in no way was it preventing franzen from going after the puck. franzen is a big 6'3 guy and crosby is only 5'11. you're telling me that a smaller guy like crosby who is obviously in serious pain at that moment was strong i enough or summoned the will to hold a much bigger johan franzen up? that's a brainless comment.

maybe we didn't win but we took you down with us. we hit you so hard you didn't have the legs to skate in the SCF. and you can keep talking about beating us off a cheap dan clearly goal. i'd rather lose early than in the SCF by one goal in what will likely be a devastating loss that the wings just won't be able to shake off.

the guy never went for the puck. franzen stick was no where near the puck. his focus was to take sidney out. i'm not the only one who thought the hit was dirty. even a toronto star writer feels the same way. http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/650549 bottom line was that frazen's hit was illegal, just like pronger's hit to tomas holmstrom in 2007 or niedermayer's elbow to datsyuk this year.

shame on you sidney. even with a torn MCL, thanks to franzen's cheap shot, you should have raced over to shake the great lidstrom and draper's (lol) hand. after all, the kings of the NHL, the red wings, were waiting.

he looked at him when crosby was a step ahead of him and was going for the puck. franzen put his knee into crosby's knee as he pinned him to the boards and THEN puts his arm out to prevent crosby from making forward progress. franzen also had the intent to obstruct crosby. this is the kind of stuff i would expect out of a cheap shotter like kronwall who leavers his skates whenever he hits (but the league never favors the wings, right?).

shhh...don't tell the wings fans. maybe if datsyuk did what he was supposed in the conference semifinals against anaheim, detroit would have won in 5 or 6 games and wouldn't be so banged up. datsyuk played poorly all playoffs, before and after the broken foot. the truth of the matter is the wings were shell shocked in game 7. they thought their home ice advantage would carry them through but it didn't. they assumed they would win because they are the wings and no one can beat them. instead, they faced a hungrier pens teams that put them on their tails. next thing you know they start taking cheap shots like what franzen did to crosby.

yeah, with all those old players you won't get by the younger and better skating ducks. sorry, we'll get a second line center to complement selanne and we have a couple of young kids in mitera and gardiner who could make the club.

you guys are call sidney a whiner, but just listen to all the whining you are doing. you lost to a team that wanted it more. no one in the league is going to put the red wings on a pedestal and worship them.

i was actually hoping that the pens and ducks could strike a deal where we "lend" you scott niedermayer and pronger for the series but i guess you didn't need them lol. detroit is kind of an old team. Lidstrom is 39 and Draper, Maltby, Osgood, Chelios and McCarty are old. They have to find a way to replace Lidstrom to maintain their dominance. I don't think they ever will. THere are only a handful of elite defensemen like him around. This is the beginning of the red wings demise.

congrats on your win. your team had tons more heart than the red wings who basically thought they had the cup in the bag. even samuellson said the wings didn't see this coming. you have every right to rub it in to those fans who were obnoxious, and there are many of them in "hockey" town ( a name they gave themselves even though toronto, montreal are more deserving).

red wings fans, stop it. you guys were so classy in clapping when franzen took crosby's knee out in game 7.