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The Happy Happy Joy Joy Song - Ren and Stimpy

Lettuce - Outta Here Good modern fast funk music band that sounds a lot like James Brown, Fred Wesley, up-tempo Herbie Hancock, etc.

While he may not need "that", whatever it is, just thoughts alone count for plenty and the thoughts (and actions) of plenty likely made him feel good or appreciated. I'm rarely one to try to ask for anything from people nor do I expect anything from people but I'd be full of s**t if I didn't appreciate people thinking about me or getting mention of somebody considering me/thinking of me for whatever.

Hudler is far from my favorite but this general statement, applied to anybody for that matter (i.e. Franzen with Datsyuk helping him out since he's a scapegoat lately), is ridiculous. What do you expect him to do, purposefully give up the puck for others to score? You score goals or get points/assists or contribute in whatever way you can. No matter how much people in here like him or not, Hudler produced this past season, albeit inconsistently when others didn't. And he's undersized yes but he's learned to bring effort and get to the front of the net when he can. He has to or he knows he might be one of the first people scratched since he is undersized. Whether that is because it was largely/solely due to it being a contract year, you be the judge, that issue is entirely subjective. It wouldn't kill me to see him go but it isn't unreasonable to see him consistently put up roughly 20 goals and 45-50 points a season.

Pretty much it. Sometimes getting it on net as quick as possible or with a 100 mph slapshot with barely any traffic isn't always the best thing. Heck, the only goal in the final game in Nashville came off what wasn't the hardest of shots/passes, it got banged in because people eventually were able to get to the net. Rinne is one of the best goaltenders in the league at present, but I don't know of any goalie, good or average, that loves traffic or possibility for defelected pucks. So that's the standard usual talk of getting traffic/screens in front of the net. Ian White's goal to open up game 2, Emmerton provided a moving screen more/less. Stuart's shot/goal off Franzen's leg, traffic in front. Holmstrom's PP goal late in game 1, traffic in front/driving the net. You get the drill.

Here's To The Night - Eve 6

Nope. Just a usual decent week for me. The person below me thinks this is funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZYIdmdx14

Almonds Patty Cake Patty Cake or Baker's Man

This calls for an awkward group hug moment.

Lines go hot/cold all the time, Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi could work well again, but assuming everybody is healthy, I'd stick him on a 3rd line to start. Him with Helm and Abdelkader for example started off the season real well.

Not all of them. I get razzing the goalies or other players in-game. Where I live there used to be a minor league hockey team and every time after they scored, a small group of fans did the exact same chant. And they could easily be saying things that are much worse. But you don't do it right after a game or series ends when the other team probably did little/nothing to piss you off or classless. That's not right what they did. Just because fans might do what they do doesn't necessarily make it right or appropriate all the time. As for Coach Trotz, I've always liked him, have never had anything against the Nashville team themselves either. Sure the Weber incident with Zetterberg stinks, he had a major mental brainfart, but you'd have to do a lot to convince me that he is a dirty player or consistent cheap artist. I'd still take him on my team in a heartbeat. Great words by Trotz there.

Hudler only had 2 game winning goals.

Fair enough. The disdain for him, while I get it, is a bit much right now and somewhat irritating to me so it's hard to depict who is on the extreme or not. So my apologies if I rubbed you the wrong way there. I'm pretty much in full agreement with you. I can't think of a dominating game by him or just astounding goals, but you don't score goals by mistake, whether they are from 4 feet in on rebounds, snap shots from the faceoff dot, or getting perfect feeds from a one-timer. I don't like on here, in general sometimes, that people get on players' cases for how they score goals, or how they should be scoring goals or whatever. You take them how you can get them. And I'm definitely no Franzen apologist. He is frustrating at times but he's still one of the most important players on the team in terms of possibly putting goals on the board and changing a game outcome. Was he Franzen-like in recent playoff past (not including last season with the annoying sprained ankle)? No. Was he awful? No either.

Not off the top of my head, but no matter what of the 20+ goals I might attempt to show, you're going to probably say that doesn't count or whatever or come up with different criteria. He still has that potential no matter how much people want to deny it in here.

Yep. The person below me thinks this is funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbfF3G524xQ

You Are The World - Donald Byrd

If nobody gives a poop I'll just move along, but I have nothing to hold back or whatever if I mess up, I easily admit mistakes when needed to. OR

Bertuzzi is just hit or miss. Is great on one-on-one opps. and down low or by the net, but is still penchant on taking awful penalties every now and then. Franzen no matter how much people might not like him still led the team in goals, and is possibly the team's biggest game breaker with a big goal at the right time.

I'll play, and I'm going by everybody's perceived roles more/less, what we might expect of them, etc. Going by jersey # order. #2 Brendan Smith - B+ - Showed some rookie nerves/mistakes but I see no reason why he can't be a consistent top-4 d-man after getting more experience. I look forward to seeing him more in the future. #4 Jakub Kindl - B- - To be honest, I thought he was playing as good as realistically expected of him when the Wings traded for Quincey. Then he just nosedived almost soon thereafter. #5 Nicklas Lidstrom - A- - Before the ankle injury, was his usual self. Unfortunately the injury had an effect. Still, don't see a reason why his play overall is in fast decline and I hope to see him back for one more season. #8 Justin Abdelkader - B- - Can't really figure him out. Wishing he could put more offensive numbers up but as long as he's physical, that's what counts first/foremost. Needs to do that more on a consistent basis. #11 Dan Cleary - C - Injury had an effect on less production this year, but i give him kudos for grinding it out and willingness to play through pain, and I actually thought he was pretty solid in the first round. If he keeps this mentality, I still want him here. #13 Pavel Datsyuk - A- - Nothing much really needs to be said about him that we already know. A magician with the puck, but he still needs help at times and didn't have it much in the latter part of the season. #14 Gustav Nyquist - B - Not trying to dog on him whatsoever, but I think people are getting too far ahead of themselves regarding him. I don't think he will stink up the joint, far from it, just neither too high or low on him right now. #15 Riley Sheahan - N/A - Just 1 game #17 Patrick Eaves - N/A - Nearly season long injury #18 Ian White - B - Was mostly hit with this guy, being paired with Lidstrom often, but when it was miss, it was bigtime as he had some major brainfarts to me. Still, glad to have him in the grand scheme of things #20 Drew Miller - A - Even though he tailed off at the end of the season, given that he isn't here to score, he put up career numbers while still providing energy and speed and forechecking #22 Mike Commodore - C- - Was just there per se, really didn't do anything special before the trade. #23 Brad Stuart - B - Made the gaffe from time to time but one of the more physical players on the team and will likely be missed assuming he leaves as expected. #26 Jiri Hudler - B+ A polarizing figure on here that is often frustrating for many, understandbly so (and he's far from my favorite), say what you want he still had a career year. It's just frustrating because he seemed to be the one to pass up the most opportuntites to put the puck on the net. #27 Kyle Quincey - C - Was too inconsistent, very frustrating after the trade, especially the final game of the playoffs. Not against re-signing him given that this was a small sample size after the trade deadline and him being before in the past, but he needs to step his game up. #29 Ty Conklin - C - Fair or not with lack of playing time and as much as I liked him, he struggled. Did much better his second stint when MacDonald went down. Will be interesting how MacDonald progresses from injury to see if that is a factor in any possibility of the Wings re-signing him. Wouldn't be against it if that is the case since I do like him. #31 Joey MacDonald - A - Stepping in when Howard was injured and Conklin struggled, he took the job and ran with it. See above with the injury. Assuming full health, gotta believe the backup job is finally his 100. #35 Jimmy Howard - A - Playoff numbers weren't as good as the regular season but other than the overcommit in game 4 (which plenty others did), can't blame him alone whatsoever for the losses. Kicked butt most regular season, hope he can maintain his play. #37 Doug Janik - A- - Given his role as a call-up, did his job yet again as a valuable emergency stay-at-home guy. Wouldn't be against having him have more playing time if such a situation arises. #39 Jan Mursak - B- - Didn't impress all that much, but he still has a bright future. Hopefully he can get more time. #40 Henrik Zetterberg - A- - After a horrid start, finally got it going and still showed why arguably he has been the most consistent/reliable Wing during the playoffs in recent years. Always busts his tail off. #41 Chris Conner - A - Given his role, provided speed and energy in his brief stint, did pretty much everything you could ask for. #43 Darren Helm - B+ - Given his speed and tenacity, would've loved for him to put more offensive numbers up but first/foremost is the effort and speed, which you'll always get from him pretty much. #44 Todd Bertuzzi - B- - A very frustrating player to watch at times. I like him a lot, but when he's cold, he's nowhere to be found and takes the bad penalty every now and then. Still great in one-on-one situations, shootouts, etc. #48 Cory Emmerton - B - Often ostracized on here, I thought given his first year of full duty, did solid. Wasn't overly physical but rarely screwed up either. #51 Valtteri Filppula - A- - After a career year, unfortunately dried up in the playoffs. Still, his career year before that gives hope that he is finally a consistent offensive threat. #52 Jonathan Ericsson - B - A whipping boy on here by many, often overblown. Wish he'd be a bit more physical but I think he's finally found his calling on here in being a great penalty killer/shutdown d-man instead of trying to focus more on offense. #55 Niklas Kronwall - A - Most physical d-man, and probably the most important for years to come. Quickly becoming a leader on and off the ice. #63 Joakim Andersson - C- - Not against having him on the roster, but in his limited time here, just never really did anything good or bad to me. #93 - Johan Franzen - B - As frustrating as he can be to watch sometimes, he still led this team in goals and is arguably the team's best sniper and arguably the team's biggest "X" factor still. Many say he was awful in he playoffs, but he had a goal just a few ticks to late and for the most part I thought he was engaged. I know I'm probably going to get yelled at for that, but I'm sorry, I didn't think he was that bad. #96 - Tomas Holmstrom - B- - Still can bring it on the power play but is going to struggle for playing time even strength. Got to admire his game even though he doesn't put it in the net as much and bringing effort and hard work every shift. He's my fav. player so obviously I want him back for one last go-round, but I still think he has some good hockey left in him. If it is still in these limited roles, cool, I have no problem with that. EDIT: Not that it'll matter much, but I forgot Brunnstrom. #76 - Fabian Brunnstrom - C - Unfortunately didn't do much during his brief stint to start the season. I still think he has the right attitude though wanting to be here and wanting to give it another effort. If that's the case, definitely not against having him on the roster and giving him a shot in training camp.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt in that regard then. And I'll re-emphasize, that personally I'm not offended or throwing a hissy fit at somebody saying you suck in itself. I've heard plenty worse. The concept of it and mocking somebody else, whether it is G-rated or R-rated, after something has concluded and when the opponent has done probably little/nothing to piss you off, just isn't right.

Meh, I find in no more or less cheating than when Hitchcock was claiming the Wings were cheating in the face off circle to get in edge in the 2009 playoff series against Columbus. If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.

I wake up early early during the week pretty much every day by design to work out before going to work, so that. Fee Fi Fo or Fum

Yes, and then destroying them like a little kid! The person below has literally kissed somebody's butt the last time somebody told them to do so.

First I was going to say Kyle Quincey in an angry fashion for his awful brainfart in the final game, but as the game went on just needed to let that go. Obviously not just him. People might insinuate this as me thinking the team could do no wrong or that I am a Holland apologist. Not what I am trying to say but if that's how you are leaning, not my problem. I chose him since those were the only 2 options, but it wasn't him alone. I'm no GM, not sure if anything could've feasibly been done to get a big forward/two at the trade deadline, whatever. Could have helped in theory but at the same time, this was largely the same roster that tore through a home stretch in mid-season and was sitting pretty for a likely #1 or #2 seed. So, I guess I'll lay some blame on management, but not even close to the point where some get in here when "ZOMG WE DIDN'T MAKE A MOVE!!!!!" just for the sake of making one or for excitement. Then injuries hit. I'm sorry, but you cannot prepare for so many regulars being out at roughly the same time. Just can't. I guess other blame comes into getting back in a groove with players getting back. How long that should take or why or whatever, that's all subjective. Not really quantifiable.

He can't be done yet. Refuse to believe it is over.