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I can't even. I was laughing so hard I had to step out of the break room.

Someone brought it up in the other thread. Let's discuss.

69. Him being the 9, Zetterberg being the 6.

Agreed. But I disagree with Dickie for overly s***ting on Holland. Holland was a master RFA negotiator.

Fair enough. I do think that in Yzermans case he had a cup contender and he was trying to lock up a very strong team, in Holland case the team was mediocre and regressing. Personally I wasn’t a fan of our guys getting those NMC/NTC while us not being that great. I do think Holland always did a great job of signing his RFAs. The Larkin deal was one of the best made last year. But some of his signings from 2014-2016 were head scratching.

Red Wingsians. We’re filthy.

True dude, but Tampa NTC/NMC were for the star players mostly and not the Darren Helms, Abdelkader’s, Daley’s, Vaneks. Callahan used to be a good player until he wasn’t anymore. But Abdelkader, Helm, Vanek, Daley shouldn’t have been locked down by any means. But also they signed Kucherov to a multi year extension without restrictions if I’m not mistaken? That’s huge and Yzerman def gets praise for that.

Woah wtf you canadian?

He’s going to be disrespected 10x more amongst Oilers fans than Wings fans if he doesn’t suit their needs is my point.

Hockey will never be more popular in US than Canada.

Yeah seriously. People think it’s just the Wings fans s***ting on Holland over the years, honestly his rep took a hit by outsiders as well. I’m genuinely curious about how things play out in Edmonton. Hes not being received nearly as well as one would think.

Do you not like Yzerman becoming our GM or something

Holland will finally with GM of the year thru Edmonton.

Didn’t realize Verbeek still lived in Michigan primarily and was “commuting” to Florida like Yzerman was. God I love all this loyalty. Bring em all back home!

I approve of Holland’s decision to leave. He did what was best for himself and his family. At the end of the day, that’s what matters. I’m a little butt hurt how quickly he bounced, but I also get it and frankly I’m impressed how he set himself up. I cant say “good luck” to him. Because I want Edmonton and any team not named Detroit Red Wings to fail.

Rightfully so though. The expectation for Yzerman (any GM) is to do well. If we regress worse than the shyte we are now for the next 5-7 years continuously then Yzerman should be fired. But if it’s just been a couple of years then no. The issue with Holland was lack of a contingency plan in late 2000s and his reliance on Zets/Dats/Lidstrom. It just went on for nearly 6 years or so. In the last 2-3 years he did a decent job of drafting. But it was too late to recover from fan skepticism from 2012-2016 or whatever it was. It also didn’t help that he signed some bad contracts even though he drafted solid players; just added more to fan skepticism. Tough recovery for Holland in the eyes of fans. With Yzerman, the narrative is “well he’s taking over a s***ty cap/roster full of young guys, he has to fix Holland’s mess, let’s give him time” But like you mention “parity”. That’s where the slippery slope is. There will be some dramatic fans getting pissed when we get eliminated in playoffs early rounds a few years in a row. But all we can do is hope for the best when we get there. All I want is us to be a contender. Get us at least to the conference finals. If Yzerman can get us there, I’ll say he did a fine job.

In order for people to turn on Yzerman, we would have to continue to regress, and get worse. If we get better, I doubt people will turn on him anytime soon.

You guys should see the reactions from some Oilers fans with Ken Holland signing. Lots of trash talking about his “mismanagement / bad contracts” with Detroit. There’s already skepticism from some Oilers fans on Twitter. It’s kinda sad. Article below has a few highlights. https://www.google.com/amp/s/edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/predictable-and-disappointing-twitter-reacts-to-news-edmonton-oilers-have-hired-ken-holland/amp Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani Holland obviously had a lot of success in the past, but it’s hard to see Detroit currently and not be concerned. I’m not sure you can hand wave the cap problems and mistakes away in the name of trying to keep the playoff streak alive. Jeff Veillette @JeffVeillette The Oilers will never, ever figure themselves out. All this talk about deep examination, self-reflection, and interviewing people with plans, all to ultimately throw cash at a guy who didn’t interview, whose philosophies are the exact same as the status quo, with ties to the boss Oilcaholic @oilcaholic Oiler fans: Get rid of the old boys club. Oilers: Hire a different older boy. Dean Millard @DuckMillard Does anyone else think hiring Ken Holland is a little like Chiarelli? Like Chiarelli Holland has won it all (more than once) but he has also put the Wings in a bad spot cap wise like Chiarelli did in Boston and Edmonton. I think Holland is a smart man but I see similarities. Jon Hagen @Sabres_Nation Ken Holland is a good GM who made horrible contract decisions the last few years. Can’t make those mistakes again People think Wings fans are harsh. Oilers fans are cynical as hell and already s***ting on the guy yikes.

It’s just natural for us to react that way when someone leaves for the $$$ Like I said though, if I was him. I’d do the same. Hypocritical? Sure. But it’s $25 million.

This is 100% Yzerman’s team now. Love it.

In general you expect the guy to stick around at least a year for the transition liek Yzerman stayed with Tampa . Some folks are naive. But the truth of the matter is, he wanted to gtfo. He was the one that convinced Illitch to bring Yzerman back to Detroit and be GM. Less than a month later he takes a job for $25 million with Edmonton. It was a setup. And it was his perfect opportunity for an Irish exit. And honestly? I would have done the same. This team is in a s***tier position than Edmonton anyways.

Your first paragraph. Agreed. Second one, I’m not so sure. Babcock got paid $50 million for Toronto and basically got exposed. They used to call him “the greatest coach in the NHL”. No longer is. I think Holland has an easier situation in Edmonton, much like he had an easy situation taking over the Red Wings in 97. He’s taking a team with McDavid. He basically was gifted not only with $25 million but also with the greatest player the NHL will likely see aside from Gretzky/Howe.

I don’t think most logical fans hate the guy. I think it was time. Having the same GM for the 20 years is excessive when things are going down hill. Holland knew this as well and brought in Yzerman. Remember, it was Holland who decided to approach Stevie. He even compared it to the time Devalanno moved up and let him in to take over. I’m happy for him but also have the “f*** you, us vs you” attitude cuz Red Wings above all.

All that “I’m going to stay with the organization and help out” until someone throws 5 million at you.