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He didn´t sign him because he´s 5´8" and nothing special. If you want to be harder to play against, add size not midgets. He was just a cap dump from Holland for the signing rights of Kostin. I think Yzerman never wanted Yamamoto to block any roster spots.

Bertuzzi signed in Toronto one year $5.5m

this is happy news
 

Paying 50% for another team's player for 8 years is about the dumbest thing I have ever read in this forum. 

As a 19 yo with a 19yo body he scored almost 60 pts. He’s clearly a good player. He just can’t be the only scoring winger we have. 

I can't see Dubois signing here long term.   No deal.
 
Way too much for Debrincat IMO.  No deal.
 
I know you kids want to fast track our playoff/competitive quotient, but, this is the last year/or two probably of having a decent chance to load our system, so I don't want to trade away any of our futures for the now.   Our lottery luck has been crappy, (Gary hates us)  and even with Kasper, Eddoggie etc, we're still pretty thin with hopefuls.
 
Take on salary, get extra picks and if our team deserves to make it into the playoffs then great, I just don't want to force it.      

none of these players were available to us, so I don´t really get what you mean. 
I don´t care that it is rigged, it´s obvious anyway. Money rules sport, so they do everything possible to "grow the sport" which basically means that they want more milk from the cow

We don´t need $11m players on our roster. Two good $6m players have imo more worth. Look at Toronto and Edmonton,they struggle to assemble a good and deep lineup because so much money is locked in their "starpower".
Keep all of our top picks the next two drafts and let the young guns develop. It takes more time, yes, but that way we load up with more talent. Talent we will need to be competitive for years and not only a few seasons. Talent we need as potential improvement to our roster or as trade chips.
It´s not the time for a big splash, not yet...

We don´t need $11m players on our roster. Two good $6m players have imo more worth. Look at Toronto and Edmonton,they struggle to assemble a good and deep lineup because so much money is locked in their "starpower".
Keep all of our top picks the next two drafts and let the young guns develop. It takes more time, yes, but that way we load up with more talent. Talent we will need to be competitive for years and not only a few seasons. Talent we need as potential improvement to our roster or as trade chips.
It´s not the time for a big splash, not yet...

We don´t need $11m players on our roster. Two good $6m players have imo more worth. Look at Toronto and Edmonton,they struggle to assemble a good and deep lineup because so much money is locked in their "starpower".
Keep all of our top picks the next two drafts and let the young guns develop. It takes more time, yes, but that way we load up with more talent. Talent we will need to be competitive for years and not only a few seasons. Talent we need as potential improvement to our roster or as trade chips.
It´s not the time for a big splash, not yet...

We don´t need $11m players on our roster. Two good $6m players have imo more worth. Look at Toronto and Edmonton,they struggle to assemble a good and deep lineup because so much money is locked in their "starpower".
Keep all of our top picks the next two drafts and let the young guns develop. It takes more time, yes, but that way we load up with more talent. Talent we will need to be competitive for years and not only a few seasons. Talent we need as potential improvement to our roster or as trade chips.
It´s not the time for a big splash, not yet...

All I know is SY needs to add a legit first-line scoring winger this summer, because we can't go into next season with Perron/Kubalik/Rasmussen-Larkin-Raymond. If it's DeBrincat, cool. If it's Bratt, cool. If it's Meier, cool. If it's Connor, cool. Just get it done.

I'm not necessarily opposed to trading a prime 1st for a guy who's closer to 30 than 20, provided it's someone with an excellent body of work and no durability issues (e.g. Kyle Connor). Because while it's true that our fortunes are now tied to Seider, Raymond, et al., we have a definite need for at least one additional high-end "veteran" leader like Larkin, especially with Bertuzzi now gone.

Why are fans so obsessed with "no tanking"? Who cares? We tanked and literally everyone was in favor of it. Chicago does it, and gets luckier in the lottery, and now we have to regurgitate this same "tanking is bad" narrative again. Most rebuilding teams tank. We did, Edmonton did, Ottawa did, Buffalo did, Arizona perpetually tanks.
Why do we have to have the most convoluted draft order of any major professional sport to combat something that pretty much everyone (except Gary Bettman) agrees is good to do once in a while? Just do reverse draft order and if teams like Edmonton want to be bad for 15 years in hopes of landing a McDavid one day, more power to them. Meanwhile a lot of non-McDavid teams are out there competing for and winning Cups.
If nothing else this year's playoffs has shown that generational guys don't really make your team more competitive. Seattle has no players of that caliber. Vegas has a few high end guys, all of whom they traded for, and none of whom required winning the lottery. Same for Florida, Carolina, and Dallas.
Edmonton, Jersey, and TO are the only teams that A) tanked, B) won the draft lottery, and C) are still playing hockey. And none of them are performing well enough to suggest that this strategy is some sure fire way to build a winner.

The Red Wings have dropped 8 total slots in the lottery during their rebuild. If they move up 8 slots they get Connor Bedard.
Tonight is the night, boys. Tonight is when this team gets aligned with the universe.

yours are soft and weak

Just glad to see someone else with a more measured approach to the rebuild without being over the top negative.

If we get Fantinelli, we're in the playoffs in 2024 or 2025.
So, no, I don't think it's Bedard-or-death. And I don't think it's Fantinelli-or-death either, for that matter.
Ideally, yeah, Larkin and Raymond are on our second line and we have absolute world-destroyers on our top line. But I don't think the standard rules of What a Team Needs If It Wants to Win are as ironclad today as they once were.
Bottom line: I think we just need to keep adding good young players and eventually it'll come together.
If Kasper and Edvinsson are the players we're hoping they are, we're in good shape.

If it's muscle or rotator cuff, More concerned with left shoulder since he is left handed. Also depends on what they mean by "shoulder":
is it bone? (there are 3 involved) ligament? (there are several) joint? (there are 2)
are they talking about the shoulder "blade"? if so that could also involve muscle.
is it a rotator cuff injury?
is it fracture? dislocation? tear? strain?
That description is about as helpful as saying "upper body injury". There are so many variables with the shoulders. More than knees, actually.
 
who pissed in your Cheerios?

Yeah, I don't think you and I really strongly disagree on anything we're talking about here. You may be a bit more bullish overall, but we agree that Yzerman's building a really solid team that's gonna be really hard to play against when it all comes together. When I said we're probably gonna be short on superstar talent, I wasn't really trying to be a buzzkill; all I meant was the vision is more "Big, lean, fast, aggressive, relentless" than "Look at how many $10M players we have; we're clearly the superior team here."
I don't want this to reply to read like cope, but on some level I feel like "elite, elite" star power means less and less as we get deeper and deeper into the age of parity. Or, rather, it's becoming more and more important that the star power is backed by teeth and claws and guts and smarts and give-a-s***. Stuff that wins when the games really, truly mean something (i.e. in the playoffs).
Can you roll four lines and three D pairings all game every game? Can your players consistently win their matchups at home and on the road? Can you execute your system better than the other team executes theirs? Are you loaded with forwards who'll empty the tank on the backcheck, steal the puck, and then hit a streaking teammate with a perfect stretch pass? If you struggle to hang with the opponent at even strength, can you win with your special teams?
^^^Those questions are, I feel, just as - if not more - important than, like, "Where's our 60-goal scorer?"
And so I look at our forwards and, while I certainly do lament the fact that we only have one proven young gun scoring winger after years of rebuilding...I'm not super-concerned. That's largely/mostly because of Edvinsson-Seider, but it's also because I do think one day we're gonna take a look at our forward lines and be like "Holy crap, we're actually really, really deep up front." That is, I'm thinking it's not gonna be evident...until it is. It'll slowly come together, and then it'll all click. I reckon that's how it's gonna go.

I think you genuinely need that many games to statistically differentiate between good and bad teams in the cap era. Think about how different the playoff picture would have looked this year if there were only 50 games (for example). For starters, Florida would not have made the playoffs and Washington and Pittsburgh likely would have (woof!). Because of the cap, the talent level is so even that you genuinely need 82 games to figure it out now. Not so much in 1986...or 2002. But I think it's a better product because of that. If you're a fan of Detroit, or Buffalo, or Winnipeg, or Florida, or Calgary your team was playing meaningful and exciting games into March and April. In the old days you'd have been watching spring training baseball by that point.
In short, I think there are more meaningful games now than there have been in decades. Maybe not a perfect system, but a really entertaining one for fans across the league.

Having one of the leagues top lines is nice but without a good surrounding cast, team chemistry and the right mindset its worth is limited.Step 1 is learn to play the right way, step 2 is to get used to winning and the numbers will follow.
I don´t know where this alleged lack of talent thing is coming from but I think we are loaded with talent, it´s just not developed yet and more to come with 5 picks in the top 50 in this years draft. Ras development isn´t done and he was picked in 2017. SY asked for patience and I´ll give him that.
To build a team, it takes more than putting together a bunch of high picks.
 

Having one of the leagues top lines is nice but without a good surrounding cast, team chemistry and the right mindset its worth is limited.Step 1 is learn to play the right way, step 2 is to get used to winning and the numbers will follow.
I don´t know where this alleged lack of talent thing is coming from but I think we are loaded with talent, it´s just not developed yet and more to come with 5 picks in the top 50 in this years draft. Ras development isn´t done and he was picked in 2017. SY asked for patience and I´ll give him that.
To build a team, it takes more than putting together a bunch of high picks.
 

Might want to do a little research. Dylan Larkin scored more this year than any of those three did the year St. Louis won the Cup. Perron scored more this year than Schenn did the year they won the Cup. If those guys are capable of winning a Cup (and they did) than so are ours.

I'm saying it's pessimistic because to prove your point you've taken the bleakest view of nearly every current Red Wings and romanticized all the older guys. In some cases laughably so. For instance, Raymond=Hudler? C'mon man? Hudler was in his Draft +7 season before he scored as well as Lucas Raymond did as a 19 yo rookie. If Raymond isn't significantly better in another 5 years then maybe you'll have a point, but for right now he's WAY ahead of Jiri Hudler. This is generally the problem with all these predictions, half the guys on the list aren't even close to being done developing. Edvinsson is only as good as Kronwall? How can you conclude that? He's played literally 9 games in the NHL and is MILES ahead of where Kronwall was at the same age. You've also left off half of our best prospects. Kasper, Berggren, Mazur, Wallinder all project as top six/top four guys and you've conveniently ignored them.
Another problem with the above is that you seem to be suggesting that there's some blueprint for winning teams and we just don't have the pieces. But that's misleading. The Bruins don't currently have any players as good as Datsyuk, Lidstrom, or even Zetterberg. Bergeron doesn't have the offense that either Datsyuk or Zetterberg had and they've got NOTHING like Lidstrom or Rafalski at the top of the defense. But they keep winning anyway. The 2019 Blues had maybe ONE player that would have cracked the top end of Detroit's 2008 lineup (Tarasenko), yet somehow they managed to ice a winner. The LAK won two cups with a team that was across the board worse than what we had in 2008. More rings though. Meanwhile, I probably don't have to remind you how many Cups Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Reilly, McDavid, and Draisaitl have. Hell, how many playoff rounds have those guys won? Yet nearly all of those guys would have been at the top end of our 2008 team.
Finally, (and I've already stated this elsewhere) In at least two, maybe even three, of the last five years we've gotten the best or second best player in the draft irrespective of whether we won a lottery or not. We've taken the best guys we could take, developed them well, and they're improving the team. But it takes time. Drafting Bedard would help sure, but so will any number of other players we may take this year and next. None of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Hudler, Filppula, Franzen or most of the other players on the 2008 team were taken in the first round. Almost all of them had long development to become top players. In terms of team building the 2008 Wings were assembled MUCH more like the current Wings than the current Avs, Oilers, or Leafs.
The problem that fans (including you apparently) seem to have is that you want to skip the line. You want to draft a bunch of top end guys and then be good a few years later and it doesn't work like that. Victor Hedman and Steven Stamkos (the highest drafted players on the current Lightening) were almost 30 before Tampa was a contender. It takes time, even when you do everything right. And we didn't do everything right. We basically wasted 1st and 2nd round picks at the end of the Holland era.  Yzerman basically started from scratch four years ago. You can't turn a franchise around in four years even if you hit on almost every pick (and Yzerman mostly has). Give it a second.