jaymac17

What is your rationale for these claims? Smith being better than daley is laughable! (And I like smith) I do agree with you on 55 and 52. I think kroner may well be heading for ltir. (Cap problem solved)I think we are justified to expect continued growth from Jensen and Ouellette. Why is it so impossible for Z to have another great yr? It seems as though the pessimists throw this claim out there simply because "he had a good yr so there's absolutely no way to do that twice" Actual evidence shows that Larkin is improving and will continue so again I agree with you there and am optimistic about mantha and AA as well. Sheahan will improve and score 25+ points. If there ever was an occasion to objectively analyze and classify a season as "bad luck" it was Riley Sheahan '16-'17. 14 and 21 contributing 50+ points will not surprise. And again with howard "he will not replicate last yr" why not? There's more reason and facts to support that he will than that he won't. Plus mrazek is an ultra confident, ultra competitive very skilled professional athlete who just b****-slapped in front of the entire league and he's in a contract year. I'd put money on him improving not regressing. The whole pessimism for the sake of pessimism because it's the popular narrative is stale and tiring. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

Howard signed his current deal after the 12-13 season. In the 4 years prior to the deal howard started an average of 55.75 games with a .918 save%, 2.32GAA and 4SO per year. During the 12-13 season (last before his current deal) the league ave for those categories was .912%, 2.54GAA, 1.3 SO. Howard ranked 9th with a 2.13GAA, 10th with .923%, and 1st with 5 SO. Howard was a top tier starter consistently for multiple years prior to his big money deal. There is no way to know that he would struggle so much with injury and inconsistency as he has in the years since. Yes, it is extremely frustrating but it's easy to sit here and manage the past. Unfortunately, we don't get to see the player's whole career arc before we sign these contracts. Howard was a solid starter for sure and part of the top 1/3 goalies in the league no question and by all accounts had our net situation solved for the next 8 years. His performance last year, while probably not exactly the new norm, is a closer representation of what he is and can be the the injury/inconsistency riddled prior couple years. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

Correct. Arbitrator had nothing to do with it. Sides can continue negotiating on their own between the conclusion of the meeting and the arbitrator announcing his decision. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

Yes Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

I keep hearing tatar is a one dimensional player. For the sake of conversation can we explain or define what it actually is we're talking about when we throw that phrase out there. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

5-6 million is not a ridiculous contract for Tatar. It is the going rate in the league for these types of players. If every other team would also pay it, that is simply market value. If he ends up somewhere else next yr he will definitely be in the high 5/6mil window. If Abby was making the lower 3mil he should be, helm was making the high 2mil he should be (or gone), and Glendening was making the 800k he should be i don't think there 'd be nearly the talking points or debate over signing a established top goal scorer 5.5/6 mil especially considering market value and cost to retain/sign similar players around the league. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

If they award him something ridiculous the team can reject the decision essentially releasing the player's rights and allowing them to immediately become ufa...also not a good outcome for us. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

I think the most realistic two sided scenario is either we sign him long term or lose him for nothing after his arbitrary deal. If he gets the 1yr deal on the 20th we have no remaining cards...Tatar has said he will not return if it goes that route...with that knowledge what team is going to offer a deal that Hollands magic 8-ball says is a good one? Also, what is this thread going to look like after the deadline when we send him somewhere for a 3rd and Holland starts talking about how hard trades are and that's the best we could get? We're gonna be trying to talk guys off the ledge! I personally will be pissed. I think there will be news in the next couple days-- 5/little more than 5mil or 6/right around 5mil. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

Weiss was worse. Nielsen was much better Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

He's a UFA next year so arbitration can only award him a 1 year deal. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

Kroner and Johan on ltir...my hunch is that kronwall's knee is worse than hoped possibly leading them to crowding the d room and using him for cap space to sign 21, 72 Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

Agreed Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

2018-19 roster Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

This is on capfriendly armchair gm section under Red Wings named "contending again". I also completed roster makeups for 2017-18 "setting 17-18 roster" and 2018-19 "new era part duex" to show foresight, and preemptive roster management to get us cap space leading up to a +ufa year. Maybe not all perfect moves, but cap compliant, potentially competent rosters and what I think is a decent representation of youth infusion from G.A., retaining roster talent, and making impactful F.A. signings leading to a quick rebuild...oops "retool". Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk 2017-18 roster Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

Great observation...what I'm saying is that as a 7 seed we played 14 games, beat the 2 seed and gave the hardest series of their playoffs to the cup champions. We were not supposed to do anything but that didn't matter once we were in we finished as one of the top 8 teams in the league Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk