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  1. Pre-Season Games

    Notes: Injuries offer Parenteau and Frk a chance to impress the Wings (
  2. Riley Sheahan ( aka Mr Teletubby)

    Just to be clear: I'd be ok with shipping Sheahan out. I just have a hard time seeing Holland doing it in September<-->December, unless he truly has no other choice. I can see Holland moving Sheahan at the trade deadline, assuming we suck this season and Sheahan doesn't have an especially good season.
  3. Athanasiou Rumor

    Then your problem isn't with Holland, it's with the NHL/the owners. The deck is stacked against RFAs and that's by design. Owners and GMs want as much cost-control power over their players as they can possibly get. I'd argue, though, that players generally do get "paid on their performance." It's just that a player's experience (or lack thereof) is inextricably part of the assessment of the player's performance to date. You can't cleanly separate the two. AA is 23. He only has 100 games of NHL experience. His performance last season had some positives, but it also raised some red flags: He's an unknown at this time, a question mark. We don't yet know what we have in him. If anything, people should be praising Holland for not throwing money at an unproven player. What if Holland writes AA a blank check and then AA proceeds to disappoint? People would then be bashing Holland for overpaying yet another player. AA is not going to Russia. It's an empty threat, a negotiating tactic. Offering $2M x 2 (market value!) and sticking to that offer is not a risky gamble. It's not dangerous. There's no real downside here. Maybe AA sits out part of the season. If he does, well, that's on him. He'd be selfishly putting himself above the team, all over $600K. That would not be a good look for him. I'm with Buppy -- I think it's going to be $2-2.3 x 2. And I think it's going to be done soon.
  4. Athanasiou Rumor

    I sometimes wonder if this isn't part of the reason why the Wings are so big on over-ripening and willing to let even our best prospects spend most of their ELC years in the AHL. In theory, it could add an extra layer of cost control, such that someone like Mantha will go into negotiations for his second contract with only two seasons of NHL experience as opposed to three or four seasons. Or consider Nyquist and Tatar. Had they become NHL regulars a year or two before each of them did, they might've had a bit more leverage in their post-ELC contract negotiations. It's probably not a thing. And even if it is a thing, the Wings appear to be moving away from the over-ripening philosophy anyway (albeit out of necessity).
  5. Athanasiou Rumor

    How so? People are acting like Holland is committing some grave injustice and has catastrophiscally miscalculated. I don't see that at all. I see him offering AA market value. AA is not McDavid. AA is not Draisaitl. AA is not Pastrnak. AA is not Parayko. AA has scored some goals in a sheltered role and that's about it. He's also been exposed as a rather one-dimensional winger who needs to work on the defensive side of his game and learn to use his linemates more and learn to make more cerebral plays (as opposed to trying to outskate everyone and deke out three guys and deke out the goalie all by himself). He's very promising, but "very promising" doesn't necessarily get you $3M-per-year when you're a 23-year-old RFA with only 100 games of NHL experience He could end up being better than a lot of these young RFAs who've been given big deals, but guys in that category have mostly earned those contracts. At this time, AA really hasn't earned much. What we might be offering him if we had more cap space isn't really relevant, and it's mistakenly assuming that Holland has just been winging it, doings things without a plan. It's not like he signed Daley and Tatar and then said, "OH S***, ONLY NOW DO I REALIZE THAT MONEY'S TIGHT! I wish I'd gone into these negotiations with some kind of plan!" I'm sure he and the rest of the brain trust mapped this stuff out to the best of their collective ability, possibly a year or two in advance. I have my problems with Holland, but he's not an idiot. When it comes to RFA deals, he knows what he's doing.
  6. Athanasiou Rumor

    RFA deals =/= UFA deals
  7. Athanasiou Rumor

    $1.9M x 2 is market value. $1.4M was maybe a bit on the low side, but that's how these negotiations open. One side starts too low, other side starts too high.
  8. The MANtha watch.....

    I ship it.
  9. Pierre McGuire on Wings-Tavares

    Finish bottom five, get lucky.
  10. Athanasiou Rumor

    AA hasn't proven that he's worth $3M. He's played less than a full season, he really needs to work on the defensive side of his game, his possession numbers were brutal last season, he hasn't shown he can really hold his own in a demanding role and consistently win matchups. $1.9M x 2 is completely fair and is more or less market value for an AA type player. He/his agent is trying to play chicken with Holland and Holland isn't budging, which is good, because AA has no leverage and you can't set a precedent that a kid with no leverage can make a demand and get what he wants "because KHL" and because he scored some goals in a sheltered role. I keep saying it: AA hasn't proven anything, hasn't really earned anything, has a hell of a lot to prove. Right now, he's basically a third-line winger. It's up to him to show he's more than that. Take the offer, sign the deal, and show the organization that your next contract will have to be a big one.
  11. Pre-Season Games

    6-1. Massacre.
  12. Pre-Season Games

    Unfortunately, we don't know how to make simple passes and effectively cycle and put pucks directly in shooters' wheelhouses. Frk might have the most hateful, scorching shot I've ever seen. And unlike Vanek and Pulkkinen, he can skate.
  13. Pre-Season Games

    Still don't know how to run a 5-on-3.
  14. Pre-Season Games

    AA base jumps from rafters, Beastie Boys' Sabotage blasts, AA throws his stick at Keith's face, kicks puck past Crawford from our blue line.