Hockeytown_Ryan
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Can't stand him. He used to be rediculous during the Wings - Avs rivalry, haven't liked him since. Good riddance.
2 mins - Unsportsmanlike Conduct!
J/K opinions vary. I just thought we all know who he is. and he was great
at his job.
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I distinctly recall him reffing game four between the Flyers and the Red Wings in the 1997 finals.
Game 5 of the 02' series as well
And I wont mention the "other" game he was assigned to.
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The Wings win and Homer gets a goal called back due to his ass hitting the goalie being in uniform. Do you think Babs could put a shock collar on him that feeds him a shot if he is within 3 feet of the crease?
fixed it !!
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I know we complain about the Referee's here alot.
BUT!
I think Bill McCreary deserves recognition.
1,737 career regular season games
297 Playoff games (record)
44 Stanley Cup Finals Games (record)
With one of the best gone, we are in real trouble...
Congratulations Bill, Thanks for everything!
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I for one am trying to decide which Canucks jersey I should buy.
The new blue/green one with the stick jersey, or the early 90's Halloween colors one.
Go old School!
I for one am wearing my Winged Wheel until they are not playing anymore.... Ill put it away for a couple months (proper for mourning)
then back out it comes......
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Good! lets see if any of the other Wings will be!
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True, but if you look at some of the developing talent:
Jamie Benn (No Visor)- 22 goals, 28 assists, 50 points in 62 games
Chris Stewart (No Visor)- 27 goals, 23 assists, 50 points in 57 games
Ryane Clowe (No Visor)- 24 goals, 36 assists, 60 points in 72 games
Brandon Dubinsky (No Visor)- 22 goals, 29 assists, 51 points in 72 games
Brooks Laich (No Visor)- 16 goals, 26 assists, 42 points in 77 games
Brian Boyle (No Visor)- 21 goals, 12 assists, 33 points in 77 games
So I mean it's not all scorers wear visors. There are guys that can put the puck in the net that don't wear visors, but the majority do wear them. Just throwing it out there.
Touche.......
But!
when you look at the guys this year..rookies!
Skinner, Couture, Grabner, Ennis, Hall, Stepan
Eberle, Marchand, Shattenkirk, Fowler.
all top 10 Rookies in scoring and ....Visors.
The point is the same I guess.. Its not a Visor that makes a player...the talent does.
I am a believer that any protection that is available should be worn. Dentists can replace your teeth
surgeons can stitch you up, and make it look like it never happend...
one set of eyes is all your given. protect them!
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The only real positive thing about the timing of this is that the Wings dont play again til Saturday afternoon which means they will get to stew over this embarassment until then. I obviously havent watched Wings hockey for as long as some of the other posters here but I have been a Wings fan for as long as I can remember and I don't think I have ever seen anything as telling about the Wings as I did in the 3rd when the camera focused on Lidstrom sitting on the end of the bench, he just looked completely pissed off and frustrated with how the team was playing..
I dont think the Wings need a bag skate or anything like that, they need to sit in the video room for the next 2 days and just watch that clip of Lidstrom's face over and over again then go out on Saturday and play some god damn hockey for a change. They should also make it their mission to do whatever it takes to help their captain finish the season with a plus, they owe him that much.
ANY chance there is a vid or pic of that? I honestly do not think I have EVER seen that! (Lidstrom angry that is....)
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So, I assume all of the fans that showed up tonight at the Joe got a full refund and an apology card as they left the arena?
I did not get mine!! I left before the end of the 2nd tho...
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It does effect vision. Even the pro-visor posters on this forum have said that. It's not so substantial that a player cannot score, but there is an effect.
Saying there is no good reason to not wear a visor ignores the last half of my last post. For fighters, not having a visor is the safest thing. Serious eye injuries as a result of not wearing a visor are very rare, and so are serious injuries to a player not wearing a helmet while fighting (largely from the head hitting the ice). Therefore, requiring visors would also require (honorable) fighters to remove their helmet and thus increase the risk of this type of injury occurring. I would argue that it benefits their health to not wear a visor. The arguments here largely ignore this. I have been reluctant to comment on it because I know a lot of posters here don't like fighting or don't fully understand it in the NA game.
As I said in an earlier post, if most new players are choosing to wear visors, why is this an issue? Fighters will likely choose not to wear one, and this is probably beneficial to their health. All (or most) new NHL players have worn visors and can thus make an intelligent decision on them.
Well with the NHL trying to get rid of fighting all together..(much to my and MANY others dismay) this would be a good chance to do so...
require a visor and then add a automatic game misconduct for removal of a helmet during a fight and then you slow the frequency of fighting.
that is the rule all the way to NCAA if I recall correctly. (I think)
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I don't think anyone is arguing that players can't succeed with visors. As I said earlier in this thread, most of the players wearing visors were forced to wear them when they were younger, and have decided to continue to use them.
Why does there need to be a visor rule is ~90% of the incoming players are choosing to wear them (this is a guess off the top of my head)? According to an article on NHL.com, 60% of players currently wear visors. This number has grown immensely in the pat 5 years, and it will likely continue to grow. If <15% are not wearing visors in 5 years, does this rule still need to be implemented? Less players are taking the risk, but I think they should still have the choice.
This applies even more to fighters. The CHL has stopped letting players remove their helmets to fight. If this rule also trickles up, then we would be seeing players always fighting with visors on. This is not safe- either is always having to remove a helmet with a visor. I have no problem with Abby, Iggy, etc ditching their lids to fight, but I'm not sure I'd like to see the players who fight 15+ times a year always ditching their lid, or (worse) having to fight with visors on.
the comment I quoted...he stated it affected vision. How is affecting vision different then having success?
If a player chooses to wear one fine, If a player does not...I will not shed a tear knowing there are ways to help prevent injuries and
they did nothing to help themselves because they are to proud to wear a visor. To me that's what it sounds like, "I don't wanna" instead of
"I don't HAVE to"
It was said....there is no good reason NOT to wear one.
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Going to the game tonight...I have been to a few Wings Blues games and .... well never mind ....I wont jinx it now!
Go Wings and get 2 points!
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Aside from it affecting the vision of the player and also not always preventing injury but causing some you mean?
Affecting the vision of a player like how? Like they cannot play the game effectively?
TOP 10 NHL scoring (as of 3-30-2011 9:58 a.m.)
Daniel Sedin Visor
Martin St Louis NO Visor
Henrik Sedin Visor
Steven Stamkos Visor
Corey Perry Visor
Alex Ovechkin Visor Tinted dark
Henrik Zetterberg Visor
Jarome Iginla Visor
Jonathan Toews Visor
Those guys are not having a problem playing the game with a visor on.
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He's saying that from a perspective of how the NHL usually refs games. Added on that, play by play and color commentary announcers tend to wonder on the same thing. Obviously you're not thinking of how the NHL refs actually call the game, but how they should. I agree in theory but in practice it doesn't happen.
Someone who closely followed the NBA ref scandal would see the very same thing happening now that was admitted by the ref who gambled on it in terms of favoritism and this love/hate game for certain players. Who can suggest that Holmstrom gets away with calls? He doesn't. There is no give/take on this situation. Sure, the Wings may get away with a call here and there, usually of the interference variety, but the refs systematically go after Holmstrom to a point where fans on other boards believe they have something against him. Then Wing fans get to see opponents fall and lie on our team's goaltender, outright hit him, push him back into the net, this is not interference somehow. I guess we already forgot about Colin Campbell-Walkom partnership.
I don't believe this sort of thing would change just by switching these guys out for new refs, but the NHL has to get a better grasp on it's ref system (I don't mean replays, avoid this kind of bogging down the game like the plague), even though they are partly responsible for the Campbell issue.. then get over the stupid issue of levying fines for criticism of referees. I don't really think either will happen but thankfully the NHL isn't the only source of hockey if it gets worse.
Yes I know.... I wasnt bashing him for his comment.. I know what he meant.... I know It should be called the same every minute of every game. It's not going to be EVER!
More eyes..more bodies looking at the play.. what ever. It does not change the fact that every person is different. and as long as the rules have "At the discretion of the Referee...." in them the rules and interpretations are gonna be different all the time.
Don't think for a minute that the Referee who missed calls doesnt get his ass chewed ..... Its just not done publicly.
and yes it is true that the NHL is not the source...But they too have human refs.... not long before they start missing calls too.....just sayin'
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I think there is a problem with your clip...the audio must be broken....I could of sworn I heard the announcers say
that there should of been a call in Detroit's favor.... better get that cleared up!
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Officials are people. therefor have a different point of view (it can happen) and different view of what is and is not a penalty.
I understand that it should not be that way, but I guess until Apple comes out with the iRef app for the iPod it is a human element that seems to be
the real issue here.... there will be perfection in the officiating when there is a perfect person to do it, since no person is.....I guess it is what it is.
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That's about as weak a "hook" I've ever seen. You'd be lucky to have a powerplay on that call in the 1st period in a competent NHL. You never call that in the final minute of a tied game.
time of the game does not mean you do or do not call it. a hook is a hook at the 19:00 mark like it is at the 1:00 mark....
I have been a USA hockey referee for a few years now. Back when I first got my start, I can tell you that it was not as easy as I thought. I really enjoy it which is why I continue to do it. Perception is everything, and you won't catch everything that happens in the course of a game. Some things you do call will be totally wrong. Even the best referees in the world don't get every call right.
All these things being said, I have also found in my travels that the team that wins doesn't complain about the reffing as much as the team that loses. Sure, they both complain, but the one that gets the short end of the stick always complains. This is never going to change.
There are many calls the Wings have gotten where nothing has happened. All wings fans praise and love these calls. Others go against the Wings for nothing, and the fans ***** about the reffing and how its a conspiracy. So, let me get this straight. If a call goes for the Wings where the Wings didn't get tripped or just fall on accident, its ok. If a call goes against the Wings where someone fell and the Wings weren't involved, its reffing failure?
I don't subscribe to reffing conspiracy theories. There are going to be missed calls in the progression of the game. There are going to be calls that shouldn't be called in the progression of the game. Human beings are going to perceive things differently. Now that you have television in the mix where you can slow down and really analyze the play, every call can be questioned.
I believe the NHL has the best professional hockey refs. At the same time though, they perform like any other ref would perform. When the game is played at that high of a level, mistakes are going to happen. If the NHL was hell bent on fixing those mistakes, they would change the reffing system. For instance, one of the things they tried at the combine this year was one ref on the ice while the other ref is standing on a platform overlooking the glass. Both refs can call penalties. What they found was that the ref up high caught more legit penalties than the ref on the ice. I am all for a system like this to be honest with you, but the hockey purists would not be happy.
In closing, there are a couple things I want to point out....
1. I firmly believe before you get upset with the refs, you should put the stripes on and ref. It really opens your eyes to the world of refereeing and you will see, even at the rec league level, that it isn't as easy as you thought it would be. Even you will make mistakes, even after years of reffing.
2. I also firmly believe that the best team always wins in the end. The refs didn't screw the Wings out of the game last night. The Wings defense went to sleep on the two goals that Chicago scored in the game. The Wings were lucky to get to OT last night thanks to the bank shot off of the defenseman's skate.
3. As for the playoffs, I also believe that the best team wins a 7 game series. The refs may make a bad call which results in one team winning a game, but things always seem to work out. A team down 2-0 in a series will turn it on to make it a series if they want it bad enough. The refs don't decide 7 game series, the players do.
That is all....
Awesome post from a ref...thanks.
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Refs are in playoff form.... What a crock !!!!!!!!!!!
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we were sloppy for taking a penalty in the offensive zone...BUT NO MENTION of the Hossa penalty on the PP? WTF!?!?!?!?
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I have a friend who is a Referee with USA Hockey - He told me that there is a rule proposal to mandate that all Refs wear visors next year. also stated that (he has friends in high places) that NHL refs are close to mandating and players may be required to as well in the future. just to add to the conversation and what I "Heard" nothing but hearsay at this point
but from (what he claims) high and credible sources. take it for what it is worth.
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I watch this and think of that "Southwest Airlines" ad .... Want to get away?!?!?
nice kick tho!
Joe Louis Red Wing Songs
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Any lyrics other than "OH" would help.... any words you remember?