Lazerbeam

they are being compared because cleary should have been waived. i love how people talk about what cleary does off the ice. how would any of you know. are you in the locker room? i dont hear any players talking about how great cleary is. atleast nest wasnt a liability on the ice. he played d and skated hard. cleary cant even move out there. if he is so good as a leader and locker room guy then find a position in management for him. make one up. locker room cheerleader. but the guy only costs us when on the ice and that is stupid to do, i dont care what he does in the locker room

nestrasil didnt tear it up when he played but he is still young and has a ton of upside. instead of putting him on waivers why the hell did we keep cleary. the guy can barely skate, plays no D. he is a -3 in 3 games. nest was -3 in 13 games. nest skates hard and plays D. so we keep an old used up vet who cant play and get rid of a young kid. makes sense to me.

what a ******* waste! Stupid Ken Holland is Stupid! All in the name of Cleary, we lost a promising young kid. This is why I say Holland should just start trading his picks for players again because we have so many kids that are ready to come up, but there is no room for them. May as well stop drafting players until these useless players are off the Wings (Cleary, kindl, Quincey, Franzen...) and there's room to bring up our draft picks instead of wasting them. Jarnkrok, traded. Nestrasal given away for free, so we can keep Cleary and Kindl... I.Am.Pissed.

I'm just glad that wasn't a playoff game. My God. Maybe there really needs to be a challenge system in this league...

Wow deserved to win and had it ripped away...Montreal did not deserve a ******* thing

There absolutely needs to be disciplinary action for referees who screw a game.

F this league. Seriously.

No s***. It's like Holland's driving a car with two bald rear tires but refuses to change them becasue then they'll go to waste.

Gonna be a sad day for me if Callahan gets claimed. I've followed his progress since the day he was drafted and have been waiting for the day that seemed inevitable in that he would get a regular spot on the Wings team. I think choosing someone based on a few incredibly crappy exhibition games is a flawed process, but what do I know. Not like Detroit has made mistakes in choosing it's roster in recent years
At least we've got Cleary on the roster That'll be worth it if Mitch gets claimed. Something to laugh at.

If he doesn’t make this team, I don’t know what to say.

but he's ken holland so nothing will happen. now if someone like jim nill said it i would take note.

Ken Holland the last 4 years: All bark and no bite.

haha yeah its funny how everyone just disregards what he says.
Guys a broken record... such stuborness

Heard him say it and instantly rolled my eyes.

I'll believe it when I see it. Holland's been saying that for about 5 years now. Once the trade deadline passes then he'll start telling everyone how's he's going to be a big player in free agency. Ho hum.

What most of us are forgetting is that if not for injuries to Sammy, Cleary and Bertuzzi last season, we'd wouldnt have seen what Tatar, Sheahan and Jurco could do because of the type of coach Babcock is...imagine this, playing all last season with those three instead of the kids...ugh...now lets go with the same defenseman this year? You got to go with the best and waive the rest...

Mike Babcock - "Even though Kindl is the worst player in the NHL, and we couldn't even trade him for a used tampon, he is going to get his minutes, there is no prospect going to come in and take his job. He's not just a plug..."
ok, so I paraphrased...

That doesn't make any sense. Lashoff is a plug and Kindl was terrible last season. If one of the four prospects is better, why wouldn't you at least start them on the third pairing? Honestly, Ouellet already looks like he would be an upgrade from either Kindl or Lashoff.
Who are any of the prospects going to knock out of the top-four so early in their careers? You already have Kronwall, E, DeKeyser and possibly Smith plus the four million dollar man too. Let them take Kindl or Lashoff's job and grow into larger roles for the future.
The defense is bad. Why would you want to try the same group as last season? The only potential for development is going to come from Smith. I don't expect all four to make the team now, but one of them should get a shot.

Haha, no I caught it. One goal in 23 games to close a season plus a no-show in the playoffs four years running just doesn't meet my standards for a goal-scoring winger. Maybe in a complimentary sense, but the Wings clearly can't rely on Franzen for consistency.

I don't see what that has to do with my point. That 2008 team was stacked and put on a clinic in puck possession every night. Hossa scored 40+ for the Red Wings in 2009 and they have struggled to find even a 30 goal scorer since then. It didn't translate into a cup because the Wings were ravaged by injury during the playoffs (including Hossa). Regardless, this team has lacked a goal-scoring winger for over five years. Semin fits that description, but depends on how you feel about the baggage involved.

I've wanted Alexander Semin on this team for years and I would still love to have him now. I don't want to hear all the s*** about his "shortcomings" and his "lack of defense" and his "lack of effort" and "if you think Franzen is lazy / streaky, you'll hate this guy", etc, etc... I love his game and he is exactly what this team needs in my opinion - a pure goal scorer and a right handed shot on the power-play. Imagine Semin on a line with Pav and Hank? Insane... As for the other three, I wouldn't be all that interested in any of them. It would definitely take a lot to get Semin away from Carolina but I would at least throw out an offer. I do still think we need to upgrade the defense before we do anything else with the offense, but I'd have to make a call on Semin for sure...

Seems like a disproportionate amount of focus on Howard considering the Wings haven't scored a goal in a game and a half.
They managed it in game one but this team wasn't exactly winning games 1-0 during the regular season.

No, but Legwand does. Poile just took Kenny out to the woodshed.

not downplaying Jarnkrok or Legwand, but it was way overpayment. Holland is not a good GM, in any sense if the word...

Where were you when he re-signed Dan Cleary?