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#1 Vladinator

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:54 AM

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Rafael Palmeiro was suspended Monday for violating Major League Baseball's steroids policy, nearly five months after telling Congress that ``I have never used steroids. Period.''


If it can somehow be proven that he lied to Congress, would he face any charges?
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE (Vladinator @ August 1, 2005 - 12:54PM)
If it can somehow be proven that he lied to Congress, would he face any charges?

Well, when you testify before Congress, you are under oath, so he could be charged with prejury. I really don't see that happening though.

I suppose he could argue that he had never used steroids when he testified, and only started using them after going before Congress, so he was in fact telling the truth wink.gif

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 02:30 PM

I wonder if the steriods is just to much Viagra......

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 05:31 PM

This just in from Barry Bonds! "It's not cheating unless you get caught."

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 05:41 PM

Impeach him! Impeach him!


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Posted 01 August 2005 - 06:33 PM

We cant...the economy is too good.

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 09:32 PM

That's probably why he said today that he never "intentionally" took them in today's speech. If a prosecutor can't prove he was lying (that he knew he had taken them prior to testifying), they probably can't get him on perjury.

Also, consider that he may have received immunity in order to provide his testimony.

I don't buy for a minute that any pro athlete could accidentally take steroids. They know what's going into their bodies.

I am just amazed that he was only given a ten-day suspension. I think any athlete who has tested positive for performance-enhancing steroids should be permanently banned from the sport. It is cheating. It cheapens any sport to condone such activity (and anything short of a permanent ban is cheapening the sport, weakening the accomplishments of those great players that came before the era of steroids.)

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Posted 01 August 2005 - 11:44 PM

Steroids come in many many forms. I'm sure he new but it could have been from anything. This is actually from months back though. It was being appealed so it just came out now once the appeal was denied.
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Posted 02 August 2005 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE (Muse @ August 1, 2005 - 10:32PM)
That's probably why he said today that he never "intentionally" took them in today's speech. If a prosecutor can't prove he was lying (that he knew he had taken them prior to testifying), they probably can't get him on perjury.

Also, consider that he may have received immunity in order to provide his testimony.

I don't buy for a minute that any pro athlete could accidentally take steroids. They know what's going into their bodies.

I am just amazed that he was only given a ten-day suspension. I think any athlete who has tested positive for performance-enhancing steroids should be permanently banned from the sport. It is cheating. It cheapens any sport to condone such activity (and anything short of a permanent ban is cheapening the sport, weakening the accomplishments of those great players that came before the era of steroids.)

the 'era' of steroids?

Steroids have been in baseball forever.

Long before Palmerio or Sanchez, or Giambi. Long before Jose Canseco.

Steroids are known to have permeated baseball as far back as the 60s.

How can you be so sure Mickey Mantle or Hank Aaron weren't taking steroids yet be adamant about what a guy like Bonds is taking now?

Bonds is supposed to have taken steroids since 2001. Let's hack off 25% of his power numbers in those years. 209 HR drops to 157, career total drops to 651. He's still within 104 of Aaron at that point. 438 RBI becomes 329, career total drops to 1734. Steroids are not a major factor in increasing your batting average, and while Bonds led the league in walks recently, he also did so in the early-mid 90s. Bonds also has won several MVP awards, far more than anyone else. And he won a few in the late 80s/early 90s, so it's not just "the steroid years."

Even if you cut his numbers down like that, he's still the greatest ballplayer of our era and probably one of the three or four best of all-time.
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Posted 02 August 2005 - 02:26 AM

QUOTE (BlakChamber @ August 1, 2005 - 01:16PM)
Well, when you testify before Congress, you are under oath, so he could be charged with prejury. I really don't see that happening though.

I suppose he could argue that he had never used steroids when he testified, and only started using them after going before Congress, so he was in fact telling the truth wink.gif

Oh man wouldn't it be awesome if they tried Palmeiro for purjury?

Being rich and all he could hire some hot-shot Latino lawyer and have the guy spout off quotes like "If the needle don't fit, you must acquit!" tongue.gif

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 03:49 AM

QUOTE (Cruiser008 @ August 2, 2005 - 03:26AM)
QUOTE (BlakChamber @ August 1, 2005 - 01:16PM)
Well, when you testify before Congress, you are under oath, so he could be charged with prejury.  I really don't see that happening though.

I suppose he could argue that he had never used steroids when he testified, and only started using them after going before Congress, so he was in fact telling the truth wink.gif

Oh man wouldn't it be awesome if they tried Palmeiro for purjury?

Being rich and all he could hire some hot-shot Latino lawyer and have the guy spout off quotes like "If the needle don't fit, you must acquit!" tongue.gif

I'd much rather see Raffi sticking his hand in a batting glove and not fitting laugh.gif
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 10:50 AM

how stupid can one possibly be...damn it, its that jessica simpson disease spreading again...i dont understand for one how any pro athlete or person in general puts things into their body without knowing what would be in it...the players are being randomly tested and not checking out things they are taking...its not rocket science is it?...i just dont get it

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 05:47 PM

hey committed purgery!
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ August 2, 2005 - 02:43AM)
Bonds is supposed to have taken steroids since 2001. Let's hack off 25% of his power numbers in those years. 209 HR drops to 157, career total drops to 651. He's still within 104 of Aaron at that point. 438 RBI becomes 329, career total drops to 1734. Steroids are not a major factor in increasing your batting average, and while Bonds led the league in walks recently, he also did so in the early-mid 90s. Bonds also has won several MVP awards, far more than anyone else. And he won a few in the late 80s/early 90s, so it's not just "the steroid years."

Even if you cut his numbers down like that, he's still the greatest ballplayer of our era and probably one of the three or four best of all-time.

it's long, but it's necesary. unless someone prefers to continue delusions about steroids and battign average, this is worth the read (well, i damn well better hope what i wrote is worth reading).

bonds was a great player. had he never touched the juice, he was a first ballot hall of famer. if he retired prior to the 2001 season, which is when he likely startign juicing, he'd still be in the hall because he was real close to both 500 steals and 500 homers.

but the last 4 years change everything.

he cheated. there's no question about it. he admitted to taking steroids. end of discussion. so, he claims he took them accidentally. that doesn't change the fact that he took them (and anyone believing bonds, the man who trusts no one and is incredible cautious with nutrition type things, accidentally took anything is a fool).

his continued cheating undoes what he had previously done. it makes it null. if spieldberg's in line for a lifetime achievement award, and then suddenly releases four movies that he stole-pure plagiarism-he's not gonna get that award anymore. continued fraudelence tarnishes and cancels out prior excellence.

and don't tell me that steroids don't improve batting average. that plain doesn't make sense. first, with steroids, a player can swing the bat faster because he's stronger. the 37 ounce bat feels 30 ounces-a lot more bat speed. more and better contact results.

when someone's using roids, the ball goes farther and faster. faster means it finds the gaps a hell of a lot quicker. a ball that the ss would have been able to get to is already in center field. that's a hti when it shoudl have been an out. that raises the batting average.

soft line drives that would be caught easily be an infielder or, if hit further, an of, suddenly become hard liners that blaze past the infielders and hit those outfield gaps long before anyone can reach them. outs become hits. ba goes up.

long, high fly balls that would be easily caught by the outfielder now become home runs. again, would-be outs are registered as hits. the batting average rises.

with increased bat speed, the player has the luxury of sitting on offspeed pitches. this lets him read it better and make better coontact. additionally, this, along withbeing abel to handle any fastball at one's luxury, leads to fewer strikeouts. fewer strikeouts meaning fewer outs, replaced in many cases by hits. battign average rises. for 13 of his first 15 seasons (i disclude high totals in his rookie year and low totals in the shorteed season), bonds struck out an average of 83.6 times a year. since 2001, that number mysteriously dropped to 59.8. unless you want to believe that bonds suddenly learned plate discipline, this shows that steroids prevent k's (the 2001 season has high total because he was swinging for the record. even with that included, the numbers are still grossly lower).


steroids have a large affect on batting average. notice how rarely bonds gets out on soft hits or blooper. notice how his outs tend to be hard grounders hit at fielders or high flies. these would be outs regardless, so steroids doesn't hurt his battign average at all.

but by turning many would-be outs into hits, bonds's average is aided by the juice. more evidence: in 15 seasons prior to 2001, bonds hit over .310 only three times, with his best being .336. from 2001 onward, bonds's worst average was .328. he hit .370 once, and over .360 on another occasion.

batting average is nto affected by steroids? yea...



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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:59 PM

raffi took stanozolol. it's what ben johnson took that caused his medal to be revoked.

it must be taign for 6-8 weeks to be effective.

it's typically taken by injection, though it can be taken in pill form (orally increases chances of liver problems).

i wonder if palmeiro really didn't realize that the needle sticking into his buttocks contained steroids?

also, stanozolol doesn't increase muscle mass as much as other anabolic agents (it still does have muscle-building affects). however, it does prevent injury. in the past ten seasons (including pre-suspension projections for this year), raffi has played over 150 games every time.



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Posted 04 August 2005 - 07:02 PM

and, one more note on barry:

when he comes back, expect his numbers to remain consistent with the past. he didn't miss this much time for what was supposed to be a very minor problem. he's not failing to inform his team o any medical progress just because he's an a**hole.

he's waiting it out until he can get a masking agent.

if bonds returns and plays poorly, it convicts him of steroids. see sammy sosa.

he needs to wait it out until his buddies formerly associated with BALCO can get him some better juice.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 09:43 PM

QUOTE (3Hasek9 @ August 4, 2005 - 07:53PM)
QUOTE (eva unit zero @ August 2, 2005 - 02:43AM)
Bonds is supposed to have taken steroids since 2001. Let's hack off 25% of his power numbers in those years. 209 HR drops to 157, career total drops to 651. He's still within 104 of Aaron at that point. 438 RBI becomes 329, career total drops to 1734. Steroids are not a major factor in increasing your batting average, and while Bonds led the league in walks recently, he also did so in the early-mid 90s. Bonds also has won several MVP awards, far more than anyone else. And he won a few in the late 80s/early 90s, so it's not just "the steroid years."

Even if you cut his numbers down like that, he's still the greatest ballplayer of our era and probably one of the three or four best of all-time.

it's long, but it's necesary. unless someone prefers to continue delusions about steroids and battign average, this is worth the read (well, i damn well better hope what i wrote is worth reading).

bonds was a great player. had he never touched the juice, he was a first ballot hall of famer. if he retired prior to the 2001 season, which is when he likely startign juicing, he'd still be in the hall because he was real close to both 500 steals and 500 homers.

but the last 4 years change everything.

he cheated. there's no question about it. he admitted to taking steroids. end of discussion. so, he claims he took them accidentally. that doesn't change the fact that he took them (and anyone believing bonds, the man who trusts no one and is incredible cautious with nutrition type things, accidentally took anything is a fool).

his continued cheating undoes what he had previously done. it makes it null. if spieldberg's in line for a lifetime achievement award, and then suddenly releases four movies that he stole-pure plagiarism-he's not gonna get that award anymore. continued fraudelence tarnishes and cancels out prior excellence.

and don't tell me that steroids don't improve batting average. that plain doesn't make sense. first, with steroids, a player can swing the bat faster because he's stronger. the 37 ounce bat feels 30 ounces-a lot more bat speed. more and better contact results.

when someone's using roids, the ball goes farther and faster. faster means it finds the gaps a hell of a lot quicker. a ball that the ss would have been able to get to is already in center field. that's a hti when it shoudl have been an out. that raises the batting average.

soft line drives that would be caught easily be an infielder or, if hit further, an of, suddenly become hard liners that blaze past the infielders and hit those outfield gaps long before anyone can reach them. outs become hits. ba goes up.

long, high fly balls that would be easily caught by the outfielder now become home runs. again, would-be outs are registered as hits. the batting average rises.

with increased bat speed, the player has the luxury of sitting on offspeed pitches. this lets him read it better and make better coontact. additionally, this, along withbeing abel to handle any fastball at one's luxury, leads to fewer strikeouts. fewer strikeouts meaning fewer outs, replaced in many cases by hits. battign average rises. for 13 of his first 15 seasons (i disclude high totals in his rookie year and low totals in the shorteed season), bonds struck out an average of 83.6 times a year. since 2001, that number mysteriously dropped to 59.8. unless you want to believe that bonds suddenly learned plate discipline, this shows that steroids prevent k's (the 2001 season has high total because he was swinging for the record. even with that included, the numbers are still grossly lower).


steroids have a large affect on batting average. notice how rarely bonds gets out on soft hits or blooper. notice how his outs tend to be hard grounders hit at fielders or high flies. these would be outs regardless, so steroids doesn't hurt his battign average at all.

but by turning many would-be outs into hits, bonds's average is aided by the juice. more evidence: in 15 seasons prior to 2001, bonds hit over .310 only three times, with his best being .336. from 2001 onward, bonds's worst average was .328. he hit .370 once, and over .360 on another occasion.

batting average is nto affected by steroids? yea...

just to add to everything you stated about steroids....something huge in sports is confidence...by taking them, a player would be stronger, more powerful and confident in his/her physical abilities which inturn help the mental side of their sport as far as being positive and knowing they can accomplish their job.




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