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#1 Stockholm-wing

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:21 AM

Article in Expressen

In short the article says that because of the bad treatment Liv got from HV71 last season he wants to leave the team and play somewhere else.

Detroit doesn't want to bring him over and let him play in the minors because they think that SEL is a good league to keep developing in according to scout HÃ¥kan Andersson
Detroit still have interest in Liv and HÃ¥kan says that he shouldn't worry " The best goalkeepers usually peak around 35"

#2 BigTex

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:31 AM

I'm sorry, but who is Liv?
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:33 AM

QUOTE (BigTex @ August 9, 2005 - 10:31AM)
I'm sorry, but who is Liv?

He's a Swedish goalie in the system.

I'm kinda surprised Detroit doesn't want him over here.

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#4 Spud Hockey

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:35 AM

How old is Liv? and doesn't 35 seem old to peek at? is that true do most goalies peek around 35? when did, Hasek, Roy, Broduer, or Cheveldae peek?

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:36 AM

QUOTE (BlakChamber @ August 9, 2005 - 10:33AM)
He's a Swedish goalie in the system.

I'm kinda surprised Detroit doesn't want him over here.

As am I... However, he still needs time to develop. Him and Howard will hopefully stick with us and turn into something great in a few years.

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:39 AM

QUOTE (Spud Hockey @ August 9, 2005 - 10:35AM)
How old is Liv? and doesn't 35 seem old to peek at? is that true do most goalies peek around 35? when did, Hasek, Roy, Broduer, or Cheveldae peek?

Yes...... I believe each are different according to ability etc. but peak age to me seems to be around 30 or 31 and reaction time and that seems to disipate in the late 30's... IMHO

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:44 AM

I guess the ideal situation for all our top prospect goalies is that they are the #1 and log alot of high intensity ice time and develop. If we've got one over here already it makes sense to keep Liv over there. There's hundreds of leagues though, I don't see why they can't just move him to another.
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#8 Vladinator

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE (Spud Hockey @ August 9, 2005 - 09:35AM)
when did, Hasek, Roy, Broduer, or Cheveldae peek?

How can you even mention Cheveldae's name in this group???


For him, the answer is easy...his rookie season, which is the only year that he really showed any sort of promise (although even then he tended to wander a bit and flop around on the ice like a fish out of water...)


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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:47 AM

sorry, but and what kind of treatment has Liv received?
Sweet. This dude was brought here for one reason, to punch people in the head - every other thing that he can do, other Wings can do better. I like that we have a head-puncher. The league has other, better head-punchers, but this one is ours. Better than nothing. Good work, Kenny!

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:56 AM

Even if the article suggests differently, I take it that Detroit's interest in Liv has cooled significantly after last season. I also suspect that an additional reason for not bringing Liv over is that they don't want to pay the extra fee for placing Liv (a third pick) in the minors. According to the new CBA the fee would be around $100-150K, if I'm not mistaken.
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE (Vladinator @ August 9, 2005 - 10:44AM)
How can you even mention Cheveldae's name in this group???


For him, the answer is easy...his rookie season, which is the only year that he really showed any sort of promise (although even then he tended to wander a bit and flop around on the ice like a fish out of water...)

blush.gif I put it there because I seem to read his name way more than I should on this board, so I thought I'd join the crowd, be one of the big boys and throw a joke in there, but as you can see I'm just a 2 post draftee. smile.gif

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:03 AM

QUOTE (RusDRW @ August 9, 2005 - 10:47AM)
sorry, but and what kind of treatment has Liv received?

His SEL team brought in Boucher during the lockout, despite Liv's play not being the real issue of concern. Boucher didn't work out and left rather quickly.
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#13 WingsRock1371

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (Vladinator @ August 9, 2005 - 10:44AM)
How can you even mention Cheveldae's name in this group???


For him, the answer is easy...his rookie season, which is the only year that he really showed any sort of promise (although even then he tended to wander a bit and flop around on the ice like a fish out of water...)

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thats like saying Marino, Elway, Montanna and Batch!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by WingsRock1371, 09 August 2005 - 10:19 AM.


#14 Vladinator

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:22 AM

QUOTE (Spud Hockey @ August 9, 2005 - 09:57AM)
QUOTE (Vladinator @ August 9, 2005 - 10:44AM)
How can you even mention Cheveldae's name in this group???


For him, the answer is easy...his rookie season, which is the only year that he really showed any sort of promise (although even then he tended to wander a bit and flop around on the ice like a fish out of water...)

blush.gif I put it there because I seem to read his name way more than I should on this board, so I thought I'd join the crowd, be one of the big boys and throw a joke in there, but as you can see I'm just a 2 post draftee. smile.gif

Okay...I thought for a moment there that someone actually thought he belonged in that grouping...

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#15 heals_3000

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:26 AM

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Ditto

Edited by heals_3000, 09 August 2005 - 10:29 AM.

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 10:34 AM

studies show the peak of players is 27-31

Harvard did a study of this a while back to see who was better, lemieux or Gretzky in their prime... they showed that at 27, Lemieux would have been better than Gretzky, had they played in the same time
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:25 AM

I think Liv should be playing for the Wings, but not because of his ability.
He should be up with the big club because he has a goalie mask with Britney Spears on it, and he dances on the ice during breaks in the action.

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:27 AM

QUOTE (Vinny04 @ August 9, 2005 - 11:25AM)
I think Liv should be playing for the Wings, but not because of his ability.
He should be up with the big club because he has a goalie mask with Britney Spears on it, and he dances on the ice during breaks in the action.

rotflmao.gif LMFAO IVE HEARD ABOUT THIS
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#19 heals_3000

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:31 AM

user posted image
Looks like quite the Oaf too
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#20 heals_3000

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:34 AM

Site that shows what his quackiness involving his masks are all about

Stefan Liv
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