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#41 nasenbluten

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE (Sepster @ August 27, 2005 - 07:51PM)

I know this is fairly callous and I don't mean to affend anyone, But Probie never was the same player after he got "cleaned up." Neither was McCarty after he became sober (which of course was great for him).

It seems to be a very unfortunate situation where some enforcers are great because of substance abuse.

I know Mac has his ups and downs with additction, but I think his fighting skills were at their best after spending that glorious summer of 02 booze-free and working out in a boxing gym. I saw Grinder that summer, and Mac was sober and ripped like Bruce Lee (I was drunk off my gourd and lugging a corresponding beer gut; both issues have since been rectified). During the 02-03 and 03-04 season, he was literally wrecking opponents as I saw him drop guys and bust heads open often by landing a single hit. Mac hits very very hard, and fast. I've heard through grapevines that the lockout season didn't go too well for Darren as far as staying clean was concerned, but hopefully his new job with Calgary will help him get back on track.

I grudginly acquiesce to the economic realities of the NNHL and the subsquent moving on of Mr. D Mac, but he is exactly the kind of player we need, someone who can beat the horses*** outta anyone that calls for it, and still skate well, play some defense, and maybe even chip in a goal or 2 once in a while*.

To sate this need, we have a number of options, some more appealing than others, although the more appealing options tend to be the less possible.

1. Trade Datsyuk for someone affordable who can score as well as chuck em. Players like Brenden Morrow or Mark Bell, who have good hands for punching and scoring and are young enough to contribute to the future build of the team. Very efficient and effective when paired with option 2. This is my preferred option, but I doubt any GM, especially one from Chicago or Dallas, is gonna be falling all over himself to take on the headache that is Datsyuk and help us out in the process.

2. Daryll Bootland. Its been said that Boots hasn't been the same since getting his clock cleaned by Todd Simpson in December of 03. I'm of the mind that a big part of becoming a great fighter is getting your ass kicked once in a while, and that by now Boots is well past the Simpson beating. Bootland is also a competent checker and brings more than just the slug goon thing to the ice. Last season with Da GRG, Boots had 14 goals, 20 helpers, and a whopping 336 PIM, finishing +5 to boot (sorry). Not too shabby. This is the most likely option to materialize, and I don't think we'll be too bad off with just Boots, but I'd feel more comfortable with some additional muscle of course.

3. Sniff around teams with cap issues. Problem is, if we sign Datsyuk, we have cap issues of our own. If not, this approach could land a player somewhere betwen the caliber of option 1 and the following option. NJ doesn't have much to offer in the way of forwards who can throw without being a liability that I know of. Other teams may, but no one comes to mind at the moment.

4. Aquire by trade or UFA a classic goon, who contributes nothing but fists to the mix. Now, I like me some fightin, but I also think that the age of the dedicated brawler has long since passed. The Wings would be better served to rely on Boots and Babcock-inspired team toughness than to burn a roster spot and even NNHL minimum wage on any such burden.


* with Patrick Roy now retired, Darren McCarty will never again score a hat trick.

#42 DaKineMaui

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Posted 11 September 2005 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (sibiriak @ September 10, 2005 - 10:24AM)
I have been watching NHL hockey for the last 12 years or so, and in 90% of the cases when there's a fight, a typical situation occurs:

Something happens in the game, e.g. instigator X does something dirty to a skilled player Y. In the next shift or so, enforcer for Y's team challenges the enforcer for X's team.
So how is this "policing the game"?

90%? I don't know about that.

The flaw I see in your equation would be that, "enforcer for Y's team challenges the enforcer for X's team."

Enforcer for Y's team should be going after "instigator X" in your scenario.

(AFTER that, enforcers from team X and Y may or may not want to settle it further, but that is not a neccesity in the unwritten rules.)

#43 DaKineMaui

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 04:54 AM

Just delete this poll.......once again the Wings go without. mad.gif

#44 Legaris

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Posted 04 October 2005 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE (Neil#25 @ August 30, 2005 - 12:10PM)
QUOTE (TheNewGreatOne87 @ August 27, 2005 - 08:26PM)
have one

DARRYL BOOTLAND thumbup.gif

hes a fighting machine, just give him a shot, he racks up the pim with his fighting, just look at his stats

I love Bootland, I think he is a great player and fighter but he will not be able protect the Wings from the likes of Cairns. Sure he will fight them but if it is a guy like Cairns then he won't be scared of fighting Bootland so he will take shots at the Wings. Where as if you have a huge toughguy, like Cairns, he might not take as much shots at the Wings because he will be in for a tough scrap.

I don't get it. Bootland isn't ready for the NHL (per Babcock and his staff). Therefore, Bootland is not the heavyweight answer. Why do people keep mentioning him? He's playing in GR and not coming up soon (if at all this season).

Besides, isn't he too small to be considered a true heavyweight?

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Posted 04 October 2005 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE (sibiriak @ September 10, 2005 - 10:24AM)
I didn't grow up in Canada, so I probably don't have crucial bits of knowledge on fighting.

You don't have to grow up in Canada to be knowledgeable about the game of hockey.

#46 Bob_Essensa

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 09:55 AM

Yes we need one badly.Will it happen though?Probably not.

#47 McVogel91

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 10:06 PM

We don't need a guy who is a fighter (Grimson or Probert-like), we just need guys who can fight if we need them too (Shanahan).

#48 NeverForgetMac25

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 05:22 PM

We doing ok so far without a "tough guy". Hopefully Kenny was right and our guys stay healthy.
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#49 RyanBarnes!

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (Never Forget Mac #25 @ November 11, 2005 - 06:22PM)
We doing ok so far without a "tough guy". Hopefully Kenny was right and our guys stay healthy.

I don't think there's any way of telling until this season is done. It's still too early for players to feel beat up etc. After 60 games or so, we might know what to expect in the postseason. I still can't understand why someone would be willing to take this risk. thumbdown.gif
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#50 Heaton

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE (RyanBarnes! @ November 11, 2005 - 05:35PM)
I don't think there's any way of telling until this season is done. It's still too early for players to feel beat up etc. After 60 games or so, we might know what to expect in the postseason. I still can't understand why someone would be willing to take this risk. thumbdown.gif

Probably because it's not as much of a risk as you want to make it look to be.
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#51 RyanBarnes!

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (Heaton @ November 11, 2005 - 07:03PM)
Probably because it's not as much of a risk as you want to make it look to be.

Nonetheless, a risk the other 29 GM's were not willing to take.
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#52 Heaton

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE (RyanBarnes! @ November 11, 2005 - 06:13PM)
Nonetheless, a risk the other 29 GM's were not willing to take.

Guess we'll know by the end of June!
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#53 redwings1914

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 03:12 PM

not anymore......
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#54 DaKineMaui

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Posted 29 January 2006 - 12:38 PM

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#55 Lou_Siffer

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Posted 30 January 2006 - 11:01 AM

Hell yeah they need one, but will they get one? Nope. Not as long as Holland and the boys are running things. He says we need to add toughness on D...we end up with Lilja! If he says we lack toughness up front...we'll end up with a another big euro! I love the argument that the Wings just dont have room for a fighter, yet you look at the best team in the league in the Ottawa Senators and see Brian McGrattan playing every game. AND they have Neil. Its all about having another dimension to your team, there is no one on the Wings that plays physical!
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