I am not impressed with this signing, but it was probably that last cheap defenseman that we needed.
I've heard this joke before on another message board:
There is no "D" in Delmore.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:00 AM
....Cheering for McCarty.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:05 AM
Again, so much for size and toughness....thanks Holland,as if Monday isn't bad enough
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:09 AM
| QUOTE (aheer22 @ August 15, 2005 - 10:32AM) |
| toughness for what? what most call toughness I call a hack that cant skate and hooks and holds all the way up the ice (or hooks and holds in the corners in the case of a defenseman).. supposedly the NEW NHL will put a premium on quick teams that can pass and skate.. with that in mind, why get a "tough" guy that will be a healthy scratch in the playoffs? |
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
That's why all these other teams were beating down his door, right? He couldn't play in Nashville, doesn't that say something? Plus, Holland needs more size and was only looking for a 5th or 6th D-Man, how does this fit. Look at what other teams are doing, they sure as hell are getting bigger, and who replaces Hatcher? Delmore? LOL
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:22 AM
My initial reaction is that I'm not a fan of this move. Not that I don't like Delmore, its just he seems like a redundant signing. We have average size offensive d-men, we NEED size and toughness.
I just hope that if this signing is actual fact that it is not the last addition to the D corps.
I'm still hoping for Todd Simpson.
I just hope that if this signing is actual fact that it is not the last addition to the D corps.
I'm still hoping for Todd Simpson.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:27 AM
| QUOTE (USAFWingedWheel @ August 15, 2005 - 10:39AM) |
| before you start hacking someone's opinion make sure your own holds water....toughness has nothing to do with hooking or holding anyone, it's laying on a heavy hit and being able to drop the gloves when needed. a physical presence on the ice is what the wings need.....btw, i don't remember McCarty, Kocur, Domi, etc.... being a bunch of hacks that can't skate... |
settle down there tough guy..
McCarty would be the first to admit he cant skate a lick.. read his book.. Kocur? come on.. if your going to argue my point use some hard hitters that CAN skate (LaPointe, Avery, Brashear)
I never said this was a HUGE signing.. all I AM saying is that you need to be careful when you are looking for hitters and physical players now.. the NHL is doing everything they can to de-value the one dimensional player (which, IMO is how it should be.. weed out the 'hangers on')
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:29 AM
| QUOTE (Barnes52 @ August 15, 2005 - 11:09AM) |
| and who replaces Hatcher? |
and tell me again what EXACTLY Hatcher did for the Wings?
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:32 AM
For what it's worth, NHLPA.com still says Delmore is unsigned.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:34 AM
| QUOTE (aheer22 @ August 15, 2005 - 11:27AM) | ||
settle down there tough guy.. McCarty would be the first to admit he cant skate a lick.. read his book.. Kocur? come on.. if your going to argue my point use some hard hitters that CAN skate (LaPointe, Avery, Brashear) I never said this was a HUGE signing.. all I AM saying is that you need to be careful when you are looking for hitters and physical players now.. the NHL is doing everything they can to de-value the one dimensional player (which, IMO is how it should be.. weed out the 'hangers on') |
You still need guys to clear the crease, still need guys to make sure your goalie doesn't get run over. Yes, you don't need a team of tough guys, but you also can't have a team of soft players, and that's what we have. We're softer than the last time we played. You know the result. I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't sign Woolley if you are looking for more finesse, from everything Holland has said, he wanted more size and toughness. This is not the signing to go about this.
Edited by Barnes52, 15 August 2005 - 10:36 AM.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:36 AM
Be VERY careful of the source. Eklund has to say a lot of things to get subscribers. This could be a very solid signing if it is true and the right price.
This year, the right price is really all that matters.
This year, the right price is really all that matters.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:38 AM
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| Scouting Report Assets Has an above-average array of skills on offense. Owns one of the hardest shots in the NHL. Is more than capable of running a power play. Flaws His defensive game has not caught up to his offensive ability. Cannot be trusted with big minutes at the NHL level. Career potential Power-play specialist. |
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:39 AM
Eklund still appears to be the only one reporting this, so perhaps it isn't true?
Even if it is true though, it isn't the worst thing in the world. I would have ratherd get Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall re-signed before I go signing guys like Delmore, but if the deal does happen, and it is "cheap" as Eklund reports, then hopedully it wont effect our chances at re-signing the other 3.
At the end of the day though, if this signing goes through, then we haven't addressed our need for size, but we have added some good depth to the blue-line and we could always throw Delmore onto the wing to take advantage of his offensive skills.
Not the worst move in the world, but not the smartest either.
Even if it is true though, it isn't the worst thing in the world. I would have ratherd get Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall re-signed before I go signing guys like Delmore, but if the deal does happen, and it is "cheap" as Eklund reports, then hopedully it wont effect our chances at re-signing the other 3.
At the end of the day though, if this signing goes through, then we haven't addressed our need for size, but we have added some good depth to the blue-line and we could always throw Delmore onto the wing to take advantage of his offensive skills.
Not the worst move in the world, but not the smartest either.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:44 AM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have always thought that Delmore is a great player!!!!
Good move Kenny!!! (finally
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uh oh............... its eklund..........
I have always thought that Delmore is a great player!!!!
Good move Kenny!!! (finally
)uh oh............... its eklund..........
Edited by redwings1914, 15 August 2005 - 10:45 AM.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:47 AM
now SIMPSON would be a good signing
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:49 AM
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If true, this is a good signing I think. He will be good for our previously awful playoff powerplay.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:52 AM
| QUOTE (aheer22 @ August 15, 2005 - 11:27AM) | ||
settle down there tough guy.. McCarty would be the first to admit he cant skate a lick.. read his book.. Kocur? come on.. if your going to argue my point use some hard hitters that CAN skate (LaPointe, Avery, Brashear) I never said this was a HUGE signing.. all I AM saying is that you need to be careful when you are looking for hitters and physical players now.. the NHL is doing everything they can to de-value the one dimensional player (which, IMO is how it should be.. weed out the 'hangers on') |
i agree with you there, we don't need a bruiser that does just that, we don't need another liability, but we do need someone that can hit and contribute offensively or defensively at the same time....
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 10:56 AM
| QUOTE (TNBT @ August 15, 2005 - 11:39AM) |
| Eklund still appears to be the only one reporting this, so perhaps it isn't true? Even if it is true though, it isn't the worst thing in the world. I would have ratherd get Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Kronwall re-signed before I go signing guys like Delmore, but if the deal does happen, and it is "cheap" as Eklund reports, then hopedully it wont effect our chances at re-signing the other 3. At the end of the day though, if this signing goes through, then we haven't addressed our need for size, but we have added some good depth to the blue-line and we could always throw Delmore onto the wing to take advantage of his offensive skills. Not the worst move in the world, but not the smartest either. |
We don't have the luxury of signing every player we want to. That is why we now have a salary cap. We need to get the best players that price will allow. The most important thing to do is re-sign our players. Dats for $3M hopefully, Hank for $2, and Kronwall for $850,000. We have to leave that and about another $1M for a little breathing room under the cap. That all means we can't go crazy signing people and have to be smart about it. We take who we can that fits under the cap.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 11:02 AM
| QUOTE (redwings1914 @ August 15, 2005 - 11:44AM) |
| YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have always thought that Delmore is a great player!!!! Good move Kenny!!! (finally )uh oh............... its eklund.......... |
When did you think that? When he washed out in Nashville? How does this make up for the loss of Hatcher? This signing, if true is a joke. He's an AHL player that on his best day can get 5-6 minutes at the NHL level. Don't we have enough puck moving defensemen? Who's going to make opposing forwards pay the pricein the defensive zone? Who's going to keep opposing forwards honest.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 11:03 AM
| QUOTE (LIDDYGIBBY5 @ August 15, 2005 - 11:56AM) | ||
We don't have the luxury of signing every player we want to. That is why we now have a salary cap. We need to get the best players that price will allow. The most important thing to do is re-sign our players. Dats for $3M hopefully, Hank for $2, and Kronwall for $850,000. We have to leave that and about another $1M for a little breathing room under the cap. That all means we can't go crazy signing people and have to be smart about it. We take who we can that fits under the cap. |
Best players for what we NEED:
Brad Brown
Todd Simpson
Not another soft, puck moving d-man
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 11:09 AM
TSN says he has one of the hardest shots in the league. He's needs to work on his defensive game, but overall this is not a bad pickup if it's true.
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Posted 15 August 2005 - 11:13 AM
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| If true, this is a good signing I think. He will be good for our previously awful playoff powerplay. |
I seriously doubt he'll do any better than Lidstrom or Schnieder. Personally I would rather see Kronwall and Lidstrom or Fischer and Schnieder. But you never know, he could prove helpful. Is there any chance this (if true) could be a GR signing to make up for Kronwall coming up to the big club?
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