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#21 Barrie

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 10:29 PM

I'd do this deal. The one thing that concerns me about Fischer, Kronwall, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg being the future, is that they are all European. You need that mix of European and North American Players. All of our North American players are getting up there in age.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 10:33 PM

Sounds good to me. Might clear up a little cap space as well to get those "tough" guys Holland is looking for.
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 10:41 PM

I really like this deal the more I think about it. (Most likely just building myself up for a let down.) And it's not just because I want Anything to happen at this point. I mean Dats is only 2 years younger and Smyth has 7 more years experience in the NHL.

It's O.K. Kenny...go ahead...you can Still do it Buddy...show 'em...make that deal!
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Posted 26 August 2005 - 10:42 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ August 26, 2005 - 07:50PM)
Edmonton loves small fast players like Datsyuk, and Dats would be PERFECT with Dvorak and the other guys they have.

If we have to trade Datsyuk, this is a deal I definitely would not mind, because Smyth is asking for 3m, which is about what he's worth. Looking at the Wings' cap number and Shanahan's contract, he'd probably take 2.5-2.75 so the team could keep Zetterberg as well. Especially since it would give him a MUCH better shot at a Cup.

All that said...I don't see the deal happening.

Imagine if you would though....

Smyth/Zetterberg/Shanahan
Holmstrom/Lang/Yzerman
Maltby/Draper/Manlow
MacLean/Franzen/Mowers
Fischer/Lidstrom
Schneider/Kronwall
Lilja/Chelios

That's a pretty strong lineup. Especially with a versatile, all-around guy like Rivers to plug any hole in the roster when you want to rest someone.

Why do you have Maclean and Manlow? They're GR bound...I'm not even sure that Manlow is signed

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Posted 26 August 2005 - 10:57 PM

Russian players may become an anomoly?

Looking at the problems with Malkin and Korolyuk (both opting to play in Russia,) Fedorov and Datsyuk (pains in the ass, despite their great talent), Ilya Kovalchuk is unsure whether he'll play in the us, et al, no wonder holland did not draft any Russians this year!

Edited by SUPERSTUD, 28 August 2005 - 04:16 PM.


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Posted 27 August 2005 - 01:49 AM

How old is smyth????
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Posted 27 August 2005 - 02:08 AM

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 10:14 AM

Maybe there is something here http://edmsun.canoe....190516-sun.html

Edmonton is shopping for a #1 center.....hmmmm

Edited by Barnes52, 27 August 2005 - 10:15 AM.


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Posted 27 August 2005 - 10:51 AM

QUOTE (Barnes52 @ August 27, 2005 - 11:14AM)
Maybe there is something here http://edmsun.canoe....190516-sun.html

Edmonton is shopping for a #1 center.....hmmmm

Yeah okay, I'll take Torres, Winchester and future considerations for Datsyuk.

Edited by RyanBarnes!, 27 August 2005 - 10:52 AM.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 11:07 AM

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Maybe there is something here http://edmsun.canoe....190516-sun.html

Edmonton is shopping for a #1 center.....hmmmm


Agreed. This is actually a rumor that isn't pulled outta someone's ass. And a First rounder? DO IT.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 01:57 PM

we draft extremly well and have for years off bottom first round picks, could you imagine what we'd do with two? pull the trigger kenny, daddy needs a new pair of cup shoes.

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 05:16 PM

How much coin is Smyth looking for? Smyth plays the Wing, which will allow Zetterberg to move to Center.
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Posted 27 August 2005 - 05:58 PM

How about Datsyuk for Smyth, Torres, and a 1st?


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Posted 27 August 2005 - 06:02 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ August 27, 2005 - 05:58PM)
How about Datsyuk for Smyth, Torres, and a 1st?

Are you crazy? Getting two of those out of Edmonton for Datsyuk is pushing it already, but three?

I'd take Torres and whatever else it would take to round out the deal (I don't think a 1st and/or Smyth would be that whatever else).

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Posted 27 August 2005 - 07:11 PM

id do it just so we dont have to hear anymore pavel datsyuk rumors rolleyes.gif

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Posted 29 August 2005 - 11:04 AM

i'd say do it! i like Datsyuk but if we can't reach a deal with him then trade him for Smyth. i like Smyth's grit over Datsyuk's also,which is what i think the team needs.
so Datsyuk for Smyth AND a 1st rounder seems like it would be a no-brainer. i unfortunately don't think this will happen. we'll see unsure.gif

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Posted 29 August 2005 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (Barnes52 @ August 26, 2005 - 11:42PM)
QUOTE (eva unit zero @ August 26, 2005 - 07:50PM)
Edmonton loves small fast players like Datsyuk, and Dats would be PERFECT with Dvorak and the other guys they have.

If we have to trade Datsyuk, this is a deal I definitely would not mind, because Smyth is asking for 3m, which is about what he's worth. Looking at the Wings' cap number and Shanahan's contract, he'd probably take 2.5-2.75 so the team could keep Zetterberg as well. Especially since it would give him a MUCH better shot at a Cup.

All that said...I don't see the deal happening.

Imagine if you would though....

Smyth/Zetterberg/Shanahan
Holmstrom/Lang/Yzerman
Maltby/Draper/Manlow
MacLean/Franzen/Mowers
Fischer/Lidstrom
Schneider/Kronwall
Lilja/Chelios

That's a pretty strong lineup. Especially with a versatile, all-around guy like Rivers to plug any hole in the roster when you want to rest someone.

Why do you have Maclean and Manlow? They're GR bound...I'm not even sure that Manlow is signed

I am not sure Williams playing fourth line minutes would be the best option. MacLean is a solid defensive forward and would be a decent addition to the fourth line. Manlow has a good amount of NHL experience, better offensive tools than bootland, and good size and strength. Manlow gets this year (or even just the first month) to prove he can play in Detroit..otherwise he's just taking up space in Grand Rapids. The guy is 30, he better be ready now.

I would like to see Booter and Williams in Grand Rapids this year, they would get a lot more ice than they would in Detroit. One year, and they are in next season with a much better chance of success.

Replace MacLean with Mcdonnell if you like, he's grittier and still a decent defensive player.

Or, if the cap allows, take your pick of #13 forward and use Rivers full-time up front, bring Delmore onto the roster.
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Posted 29 August 2005 - 12:52 PM

QUOTE (norrisnick @ August 27, 2005 - 07:02PM)
Are you crazy?  Getting two of those out of Edmonton for Datsyuk is pushing it already, but three?

I'd take Torres and whatever else it would take to round out the deal (I don't think a 1st and/or Smyth would be that whatever else).

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lol...I figured while we were speculating... thumbup.gif

Heck, Smyth and Torres with no first would be sweet enough.

How about:

Datsyuk and Legace for Torres, Markkanen, and a mid-round pick?

We lose Datsyuk, swap goalies, gain Torres and add 513k to the payroll (up to 32.513 with a 22-man roster)

We'd then have two very good goaltenders for less than two million, as well as 5.937 million to spend on Zetterberg and an additional player.

Edited by eva unit zero, 29 August 2005 - 12:58 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2005 - 01:16 PM

Not a bad idea but torres isnt half as good as dats but it saves money maybe dats and lagace for torres markkanen and a first. I would definitly take that! thumbup.gif

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Posted 29 August 2005 - 01:52 PM

I don't know if the Oil would swap Markkanen for a more expensive Legace and Torres for a more expensive Datsyuk. Don't they have some sort of self-imposed cap of $30-32M or so? There must be a reason why Smyth hasn't signed yet (unless he's looking for a short-term, Datsyuk-esque contract so he can bolt for free agency).
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