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#1 golfpar57

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 09:42 AM

I have heard a little of Jiri Hudler but know little of what kind of potential he has. Any opinions?

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 10:04 AM

A lot of people think he's the next St.Louis, but he's not nearly as fast and has a bad work ethic. Usually tiny guys can fly, which helps them in tight NA rinks, but he's slow and right around 5'7. If he gets his s**t togethor and comes to play every night, he could very well anchor a second line winger spot. I know he's a center, but I think he'll have better luck on the wing. Seems like another problem just waiting to happen, with an attitude just like Sergei's.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 10:23 AM

He's got more moves than Ex Lax but like Todd says -- not fast and is still immature. He can pass well and has a nice high wrist shot. I'm not sure if he will make it -- reminds me of Dennis Holland (Ken's little brother) who led the Western Hockey League in scoring but had no wheels and ended with a short career in the minors.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 10:46 AM

I think his performance is entirely dependant on his linemates. His average speed & small side dictates a need for strong, big or fast linemates to open up room for his skills to shine.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 11:16 AM

I think he'll go back to Europe in a couple of years.
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 03:28 PM

With Datsyuk signing in Russia, I think we're going to see what Hudler can do sooner rather than later. Whether or not he's ready to contribute nightly is up in the air.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 03:29 PM

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With Datsyuk signing in Russia, I think we're going to see what Hudler can do sooner rather than later. Whether or not he's ready to contribute nightly is up in the air.


Agreed, well said.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 03:36 PM

He has the potential to be as good as Datsyuk has been up to this point. Pavel isn't the fastest guy in the world either, plus speed and jump is something that can be worked on a bit with the proper dedication. He's still very young. He'll mature. Hopefully...

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 03:40 PM

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He has the potential to be as good as Datsyuk has been up to this point. Pavel isn't the fastest guy in the world either, plus speed and jump is something that can be worked on a bit with the proper dedication. He's still very young. He'll mature. Hopefully...


You know, I never thought Datsyuk was that fast, but then he was in the all-star games fastest skater comp. How does that happen? He actually did pretty good, seeming how he screwed up at the start.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 04:17 PM

QUOTE (ToddDaGod @ September 5, 2005 - 03:40PM)

You know, I never thought Datsyuk was that fast, but then he was in the all-star games fastest skater comp. How does that happen? He actually did pretty good, seeming how he screwed up at the start.

A competition Bill Guerin won a few years ago and Ed Jovanovski has competed in. It's all a matter of timing and being able to power through those corners. In game speed is a much better indicator of things. He's shifty and has ok speed but he's not a blazer like Fedorov.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 05:39 PM

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A competition Bill Guerin won a few years ago and Ed Jovanovski has competed in. It's all a matter of timing and being able to power through those corners. In game speed is a much better indicator of things. He's shifty and has ok speed but he's not a blazer like Fedorov.



lol, thanks for putting it into perspective for me. Yeah, Jovanovski and Guerin? Who picks the players for these damn things?

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (ColdWarrior @ September 5, 2005 - 11:46AM)
I think his performance is entirely dependant on his linemates. His average speed & small side dictates a need for strong, big or fast linemates to open up room for his skills to shine.

average speed, small size, great vision and puck skills reminds me of someone else whose initial NHL projection was far bleaker than Hudler's.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:06 AM

You talking Gretzky?

I hope not.

Who?
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE (rick zombo @ September 6, 2005 - 12:06PM)
You talking Gretzky?

I hope not.

Who?

there ya go.

Not saying Hudler is gonna be nearly as good, but you understand the point?
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 12:15 PM

if he bulked up a little bit, and kept his head up he could be a great playmaker. very creative with the puck. and with the sad sad loss of my beloved pavel datsyuk , some puckhandling offense is greatly needed.

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ September 6, 2005 - 11:52AM)
QUOTE (rick zombo @ September 6, 2005 - 12:06PM)
You talking Gretzky?

I hope not.

Who?

there ya go.

Not saying Hudler is gonna be nearly as good, but you understand the point?

They were calling Gretzky "The Great One" when he was 13.

He had massive expectations on him when he entered the NHL.


And as you pointed out, Hudler is no Gretzky.


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Posted 07 September 2005 - 07:29 AM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ September 6, 2005 - 05:02PM)
QUOTE (eva unit zero @ September 6, 2005 - 11:52AM)
QUOTE (rick zombo @ September 6, 2005 - 12:06PM)
You talking Gretzky?

I hope not.

Who?

there ya go.

Not saying Hudler is gonna be nearly as good, but you understand the point?

They were calling Gretzky "The Great One" when he was 13.

He had massive expectations on him when he entered the NHL.


And as you pointed out, Hudler is no Gretzky.

That's right. And what I'm saying!
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Posted 07 September 2005 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (ColdWarrior @ September 5, 2005 - 11:46AM)
I think his performance is entirely dependant on his linemates. His average speed & small side dictates a need for strong, big or fast linemates to open up room for his skills to shine.

I agree with this 100%.

Hudler has a huge amount of talent and is a great playmaker, but he is small and he isn't as quick as you would like to see in someone that little.

Hopefully these new rules will help to open up the ice for him and will mean that he wont cop as much physical punishment, which will make him more effective. However, unless the NHL takes physical contact out of the game entirely (obviously not going to happen), then he will need someone with some decent size out there with him to back him up and make opponents think twice about taking a shot at him.

If we send Hudler out there with Datsyuk and Zetterberg (as an example; wouldn't happen in real life), then Hudler would get the crap beaten out of him. If we sent him out with a McCarty and a Bertuzzi (once again, example only), then Hudler would still get hit a bit, but nowhere near as much, and he would be a pretty effective player.

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 12:11 PM

hes really young and has alot of time to develop, so we will see in 2-3 years where he is, he could be very good, he may not even be done growin if hes a late bloomer





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