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#41 timothy1997

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE (Icer @ September 29, 2005 - 04:29PM)
The Illini barely beat Rutgers and were losing most of the game...they are a pathetic excuse for Big Ten team.
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I never said Illinois was all that great. But they are the kind of team MSU usually has trouble with, especially sandwiched between a big win against ND and a big rivalry game with UM. Instead of falling flat, Stanton and company took care of business, not just winning the game but rewriting the MSU record books (total offense, passing td's, rushing yards for a freshman) piling up more than 600 yards. I'm optimistic because I think MSU will have that same focus against UM.

michigan state has a history of falling flat the next week after a big win. It doesnt matter whom the team is.

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE (RockyMountainWingGal @ September 28, 2005 - 08:01PM)
QUOTE (timothy1997 @ September 26, 2005 - 09:16AM)
Michigan under Lloyd Carr is....


4-9: Michigan's combined record against Ohio State, Notre Dame, Iowa and in bowl games going back to 2002. 
5-5: Bowl Record
3-4: Record against Notre Dame
0-2: Record against Big 12 including Bowl Games
1-2: Record in Rose Bowl
5-5: Record against Ohio State
3-4: Record against Pac 10


This pretty much sums up a pretty AVERAGE coach. However, at Michigan....the most winningest college football program, is average enough.

http://www.firelloydcarr.us/

5-5 Bowl record doesn't bother me, considering we're often playing top 5 teams (ie USC, Texas, etc)

3-4 vs the Irish is very sub-par, considering they haven't been very good for much of this stretch, but it is a rivalry series

1-2 in Rose Bowl: not great, but UM has never played well on the West coast - it was worse under Bo

5-5 vs OSU: probably as expected considering the heated rivalry and talent of both teams

3-4 vs Pac-ten; so-so; most of those games were on the West coast though - those pansies rarely want to fly up to the midwest to play.

As a Spartan fan, wouldn't you take most of Carr's statistics over the course of his coaching?

I have nothing personal against Lloyd Carr - I have liked him as the Wolverine's coach since he arrived (better than Bo if you ask me). I also respect that UM tends to keep coaches around for awhile and rewards loyalty (although I thought Mo was terrible). How many coaches has MSU gone through during this time? Sabin, Williams (?), Smith?? I'm still not sold on Smith - he's just "OK" - I certainly don't see him as being better than Carr. Point is though, that I think it is OK to question the coaching tenure of Carr - and if it turns that the University thinks it's time for a change, then so be it. But I'm not calling for him to be "fired" in the heat of the moment.

until Carr took the reigns there was a huge difference in the OSU series (very biased in Michigans favor) Carr led teams have a problem with conditioning typically (they always do well in the first half and struggle second half, and do better late in teh season once they get the conditioning up)Do I think he needs to go, not neccessarily, but they need someone to point out the obvious and not be afraid to do it (noone wants to tell teh UM football coach he's doing anything wrong)

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 03:59 PM

Ken Jennings: I'll take Directional Football Powers for $200, Alex.

Alex Trebek: Northern Illinois, Eastern Michigan.




Ken Jennings: Who are the two teams Michigan has beaten in their last six games?

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:43 PM

QUOTE (timothy1997 @ September 29, 2005 - 07:09AM)
the problem is tho that carr has not delivered since 97. Too many losses to teams it should have beat, and he has taken his school with high expectations and lowered them. Michigan's goal year and year out should be to WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. For a long time, the goal at Michigan was to WIN THE ROSE BOWL. Now Carr is happy to even BE IN THE ROSE BOWL. There is a definately decline in expectations. What is next? Just be in the TOP 3 OF THE BIG TEN??
Time for a change now.

Look at the other side of the coin though: Carr is better than Bo or Mo: neither won a national championship and struggled in the Rose Bowl. Loyd at least got there and won a big one. Yes, he's conservative, but that's a relative term - compared to his predecessors he's far less conservative. The Carr teams have at least been more exciting than the "3 yards and a pile of dust" teams. I can't argue with the fact that he's blown too many of the big games lately, but that doesn't erase the good run he's had as Michigan's coach.

btw, stupid game is only locally televised for those of you in the midwest/Michigan. Luckily, I get the ESPN game plan - I even invited some of my Spartan friends over since they won't get the game. 10am too - ugh - have to be gone in the morning, so will miss much of it. Just hope it's at least close and interesting when I get back.....
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Posted 29 September 2005 - 10:01 PM

QUOTE (RockyMountainWingGal @ September 30, 2005 - 03:43AM)
QUOTE (timothy1997 @ September 29, 2005 - 07:09AM)
the problem is tho that carr has not delivered since 97. Too many losses to teams it should have beat, and he has taken his school with high expectations and lowered them. Michigan's goal year and year out should be to WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. For a long time, the goal at Michigan was to WIN THE ROSE BOWL. Now Carr is happy to even BE IN THE ROSE BOWL. There is a definately decline in expectations. What is next?  Just be in the TOP 3 OF THE BIG TEN??
Time for a change now.

Look at the other side of the coin though: Carr is better than Bo or Mo: neither won a national championship and struggled in the Rose Bowl. Loyd at least got there and won a big one. Yes, he's conservative, but that's a relative term - compared to his predecessors he's far less conservative. The Carr teams have at least been more exciting than the "3 yards and a pile of dust" teams. I can't argue with the fact that he's blown too many of the big games lately, but that doesn't erase the good run he's had as Michigan's coach.

btw, stupid game is only locally televised for those of you in the midwest/Michigan. Luckily, I get the ESPN game plan - I even invited some of my Spartan friends over since they won't get the game. 10am too - ugh - have to be gone in the morning, so will miss much of it. Just hope it's at least close and interesting when I get back.....

unless a miracle happens, I am not going to be able to watch the game at all. I got last weekend off and you typically only get 1 weekend off a month at this place. I will be shocked when i call on sunday for my assignments and nothing shows up.

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 06:34 AM

saw this on the free press this morning. Hilarious!


For State Fans:
http://www.freep.com...0e_20050930.htm

For Wolverine Fans:
http://www.freep.com...0e_20050930.htm

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 09:00 AM

Prediction time...

91-2, MSU

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 11:23 AM

Michigan scores on first drive

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 11:34 AM

14-0 UM. MSU can't stop the run right now.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 11:43 AM

Alright 14-7 come on Henne lead us down the field again
It is not a sprint, yet a marathon.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 12:12 PM

21-7

Looks like MOOOO U is going down today
NHL Playoffs = Mule Season. Lets Go Wings

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 12:16 PM

becareful. Remember last year. The game is not over til its over.



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Posted 01 October 2005 - 12:18 PM

No one said the game was over. It just looks good for UM. MSU is driving though. Lots of ball still to be played


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Posted 01 October 2005 - 12:25 PM

michigan state has killed themselves so far. This drive looks promising tho. Michigan State needs to keep this game tied or under 7 entering halftime..then regroup for the 2nd half.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 12:35 PM

just like that...its 21-21....

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 01:30 PM

Stop calling short passes on 3rd down.......
It is not a sprint, yet a marathon.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:09 PM

That's a bulls**t call on the Henne "fumble". The (albeit blurry) opposite field angle clearly shows him being hit in the motion of throwing *AND* there should've been a facemask penalty on the play.

What a HORRIBLE call.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:12 PM

it is the tuck rule. Henne was trying to pull back the ball and it got knocked out. It was a good call.

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:14 PM

Yeah they got the called right......Henne's should have fumbled earlier..........

Cmon michigan.......

Good First down

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Posted 01 October 2005 - 02:17 PM

LETS GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not a sprint, yet a marathon.




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