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#21 eva unit zero

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 11:50 AM

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I've been thinking for a little while now that Hudler kind of reminds me a bit of Datsyuk, in that he isn't really big, and he's not overly fast, but he has amazing puck-handling skills and offensive vision.

Similarly, Filppula kind of reminds me of Zetterberg a bit, in that he is a solid offensive player as well, but is a better defensive player than Datsyuk/Hudler.

So basically, Datsyuk/Hudler are the better offensive players, Zetterberg/Filppula are solid offensivley, but are the better two-way players. So with that in mind, a second set of EuroTwins may not be out of the question at all. Add Grigorenko into that mix and we have 5 guys who can all score and create. The only thing is that we are going to need some big guys to play alongside them or they are going to get killed.

Lofberg? Ryno?

And hopefully Kopecky pans out...
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Posted 12 October 2005 - 09:18 PM

dont forget about evan mcgrath if he keeps lightin it up in the ohl we will most likely see him if gr next year but if he has a good camp he may end up in det...

we have 4 good offensive prospects who could become very good hudler/filppula/grigorenko/and mcgrath if they all pan out in a couple years we got

six good offensive players considering dats will still be around after a couple years

after that all we need is a big power forward who can fight and score like a bertuzzi

also hudler added another goal and assist in the GR 5-2 win

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE (TNBT @ October 12, 2005 - 06:28AM)
I've been thinking for a little while now that Hudler kind of reminds me a bit of Datsyuk, in that he isn't really big, and he's not overly fast, but he has amazing puck-handling skills and offensive vision.

Similarly, Filppula kind of reminds me of Zetterberg a bit, in that he is a solid offensive player as well, but is a better defensive player than Datsyuk/Hudler.

So basically, Datsyuk/Hudler are the better offensive players, Zetterberg/Filppula are solid offensivley, but are the better two-way players. So with that in mind, a second set of EuroTwins may not be out of the question at all. Add Grigorenko into that mix and we have 5 guys who can all score and create. The only thing is that we are going to need some big guys to play alongside them or they are going to get killed.

Hudler's stick handling skills aren't even that impressive. He just has instincts. He knows where to go. He knows where the holes are. He sees the passing lanes.

He's got a pretty good wrister and slapper, too.

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 12:24 AM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ October 12, 2005 - 12:50PM)
QUOTE (TNBT @ October 12, 2005 - 06:28AM)
I've been thinking for a little while now that Hudler kind of reminds me a bit of Datsyuk, in that he isn't really big, and he's not overly fast, but he has amazing puck-handling skills and offensive vision.

Similarly, Filppula kind of reminds me of Zetterberg a bit, in that he is a solid offensive player as well, but is a better defensive player than Datsyuk/Hudler.

So basically, Datsyuk/Hudler are the better offensive players, Zetterberg/Filppula are solid offensivley, but are the better two-way players.  So with that in mind, a second set of EuroTwins may not be out of the question at all.  Add Grigorenko into that mix and we have 5 guys who can all score and create.  The only thing is that we are going to need some big guys to play alongside them or they are going to get killed.

Lofberg? Ryno?

And hopefully Kopecky pans out...

Except for Ryno, none of those guys has shown much physicality to go with the big frame. And even Ryno is pretty soft for his size.

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 10:30 AM

As of now we have datsyuk, lang, draper, franzen & yzerman as our centers. Once Yzerman retires we need one person to replace him, and I think it should be filppula. Filppula is better player as well as a center compared to hudler. Not to mention mcgrath who has been on fire so far and projects as someone similar to zetterberg/filppula, and I see him being here in a few yrs. With that said I think we should trade hudler for depth elsewhere pref. in LW/RW in the prospect pipeline.

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 12:53 PM

Hudler - 6pts in 2 games with Grand Rapids
Filppula - 3pts in 2 games with G.R.

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 03:46 PM

actually mcgrath is quite a bit bigger than either zetterberg and filppula, but they do play a similar game, everybody says he has tons of potential.....i hope he lives up to it and really does become a top six nhl forward








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Posted 13 October 2005 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE (zetterbergfan40 @ October 13, 2005 - 03:46PM)
actually mcgrath is quite a bit bigger than either zetterberg and filppula, but they do play a similar game, everybody says he has tons of potential.....i hope he lives up to it and really does become a top six nhl forward


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Quite a bit? From my understanding they are all within the same 1" and 10lbs. GR has Valtteri listed at 5'11" 202lbs. And the Wings have Hank at 6' 180lbs (hockeydb has him at 190lb).

Same size and nearly same game, though I'd give the all-around defensive edge to Hank and Valtteri. McGrath is pretty one-way.

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 04:26 PM

norris what is your source of mcgrath being one way..... and mcgrath is very young and could hit a late growth spret and still will prolly fill out a little, but he is taller than filppula and will prolly way more than zetterberg if not just being bigger all together by growing a little

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 04:32 PM

sorry about the spelling error i wasnt thinking straight....i ment to say he will Weigh way more than zetterberg,

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (zetterbergfan40 @ October 13, 2005 - 04:26PM)
norris what is your source of mcgrath being one way..... and mcgrath is very young and could hit a late growth spret and still will prolly fill out a little, but he is taller than filppula and will prolly way more than zetterberg if not just being bigger all together by growing a little

Anything and everything I've ever read about the guy. He's an offensive player, period.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 11:46 PM

McGrath can learn defense... and with Babcock, he better.
Hudler will be more of a poke-checker like Datsyuk who might come up with some great steals for us but is definitely not used on the penalty kill (which is fine).

I would love to see a Hudler/Fillpula/Grigorenko line. Man that could be one hell of a line... Grigorenko is a freakin' tank.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 12:50 AM

McGrath is and always will be a natural scorer first, but I think he can become a decent defensive player, especially with a coach like Babcock. Red Wings Central says that he is responsible in his own end, so it would appear that he at least KNOWS what is going on on the defensive end. Now he just has to work on doing something about it.

As for Hudler, I'm not expecting much from him as far as defense is concerned. I agree with your Datsyuk comparison. He will get a poke-check in there, but he will never be a positional defender or energy guy on the defensive end. I get the impression that every time he is in the defensive end, he is kind of waiting for the chance to get the puck and go back down the other end. I think that for him to have success, he will have to be paired with at least one good defensive player on his line.

The idea of a Hudler - Filppula - Grigorenko line would be fun to watch in the offensive zone, but I would hate to see it when we don't have the puck. Filppula is showing the makings of a solid two-way center, but the defensive reviews I have read for both Hudler and Grigorenko were less than encouraging. If Grigorenko continues to improve as he has been since his accident and can add something that faintly resembles a defensive game, then that line wouldn't look as bad in the defensive zone.

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Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:20 AM

QUOTE (TNBT @ October 15, 2005 - 01:50AM)
McGrath is and always will be a natural scorer first, but I think he can become a decent defensive player, especially with a coach like Babcock. Red Wings Central says that he is responsible in his own end, so it would appear that he at least KNOWS what is going on on the defensive end. Now he just has to work on doing something about it.

As for Hudler, I'm not expecting much from him as far as defense is concerned. I agree with your Datsyuk comparison. He will get a poke-check in there, but he will never be a positional defender or energy guy on the defensive end. I get the impression that every time he is in the defensive end, he is kind of waiting for the chance to get the puck and go back down the other end. I think that for him to have success, he will have to be paired with at least one good defensive player on his line.

The idea of a Hudler - Filppula - Grigorenko line would be fun to watch in the offensive zone, but I would hate to see it when we don't have the puck. Filppula is showing the makings of a solid two-way center, but the defensive reviews I have read for both Hudler and Grigorenko were less than encouraging. If Grigorenko continues to improve as he has been since his accident and can add something that faintly resembles a defensive game, then that line wouldn't look as bad in the defensive zone.

Grigorenko has a solid defensive game..shortly before the accident he greatly improved it, and upon coming back he worked itup even more as Lada was using him in a checking role almost exclusively. He has actually developed into quite the all-around player.
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Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:39 PM

... In Grand Rapids, forward Jiri Hudler is off to a blazing start with the Griffins.

Hudler scored twice in a 3-1 victory over Hamilton Friday, giving Hudler five goals in three games (all Griffins victories) and eight points. No Griffins player has ever had more goals or points after three game

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Posted 17 October 2005 - 10:33 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ October 15, 2005 - 12:20PM)
QUOTE (TNBT @ October 15, 2005 - 01:50AM)
McGrath is and always will be a natural scorer first, but I think he can become a decent defensive player, especially with a coach like Babcock.  Red Wings Central says that he is responsible in his own end, so it would appear that he at least KNOWS what is going on on the defensive end.  Now he just has to work on doing something about it.

As for Hudler, I'm not expecting much from him as far as defense is concerned.  I agree with your Datsyuk comparison.  He will get a poke-check in there, but he will never be a positional defender or energy guy on the defensive end.  I get the impression that every time he is in the defensive end, he is kind of waiting for the chance to get the puck and go back down the other end.  I think that for him to have success, he will have to be paired with at least one good defensive player on his line. 

The idea of a Hudler - Filppula - Grigorenko line would be fun to watch in the offensive zone, but I would hate to see it when we don't have the puck.  Filppula is showing the makings of a solid two-way center, but the defensive reviews I have read for both Hudler and Grigorenko were less than encouraging.  If Grigorenko continues to improve as he has been since his accident and can add something that faintly resembles a defensive game, then that line wouldn't look as bad in the defensive zone.

Grigorenko has a solid defensive game..shortly before the accident he greatly improved it, and upon coming back he worked itup even more as Lada was using him in a checking role almost exclusively. He has actually developed into quite the all-around player.

That's great to hear.

As far as I knew, Grigorenko was basically an offense-only player. If he has become a solid two-way player then I'm happy to hear it.





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