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#1 NeverForgetMac25

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 12:53 PM

With all the debate, someone made a comment that we should start a poll. Here it is:
It's amazing how much clarity comes when you care more about the Red Wings than any individual player.


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#2 FUUFNF

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 12:59 PM

my vote goes for legace... solid year in and year out... he's earned the opportunity.

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 01:05 PM

Legace is an average goaltender. Will make some big saves, will make some bad decisions, and lacks experience in the playoffs (spare me any conspiracy theories on why he hasn't been given his shot).

Osgood is a good goaltender. Can steal games, make big saves, can also let in the infuriatingly soft goals at times. But when he's on, which hopefully he will be come playoff time, Detroit can win the Cup with him in net. People seem to forget he's done it once already.

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 01:15 PM

Legace hands down...he has earned it.


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Posted 10 November 2005 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (ILuvMaltby18 @ November 10, 2005 - 02:15PM)
Legace hands down...he has earned it.

same here!
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 02:59 PM

So far it looks like 2 out of 3 prefer Manny in Net.
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 03:17 PM

I'd give Osgood maybe a dozen starts the rest of the way, and always against teams like Columbus, St. Louis, etc

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 03:59 PM

I'd have to go Manny. I want to know what he can do, and no better time to find that out than right now. The next few games should be tougher and will give Manny the opportunity to prove himself to everyone, not just those (like myself) who are impressed with his start this year against the lower ranked teams.

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 04:49 PM

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I'd give Osgood maybe a dozen starts the rest of the way, and always against teams like Columbus, St. Louis, etc


I couldn't agree more with you.

I would also like to add that when i watch these two goaltenders, Manny seems to eat up the puck on a shot more and give less rebounds, as Ozzy gives up a lot of rebounds. I would definitely give Manny the start in goal, but then again I'm not Babcock... wink.gif

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 06:07 PM

As much as I like Osgood and all I never feel comfortable with him in net. On the flipside Legace's been getting so good at stopping odd-man rushes I hardly even flinch or react when we get them against us. Legace definitely, though I'm glad to know we have Ozzie inc ase things go awry again with Manny.
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ November 10, 2005 - 02:05PM)
Legace is an average goaltender. Will make some big saves, will make some bad decisions, and lacks experience in the playoffs (spare me any conspiracy theories on why he hasn't been given his shot).

Osgood is a good goaltender. Can steal games, make big saves, can also let in the infuriatingly soft goals at times. But when he's on, which hopefully he will be come playoff time, Detroit can win the Cup with him in net. People seem to forget he's done it once already.

Not taking anything away from Ozzie but you could have had a pylon in net 1998. We would have won the cup anyway. That team didn't win the cup on their goaltenders back.

What kind of color is red? Red is a warning, a declaration, a color that says I'm ready to do what it takes. Red is focused and driven because red doesn't like second place. So what kind of color is red? Their kind.

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Booster313 @ November 10, 2005 - 06:49PM)
Not taking anything away from Ozzie but you could have had a pylon in net 1998. We would have won the cup anyway. That team didn't win the cup on their goaltenders back.

That's not taking anything away from Ozzie, saying they could've had a pylon in net?

I realize that's popular opinion, but it's not true. You can't win the Stanley Cup without solid goaltending and a great team.

Few teams win on their goaltenders back (Hasek never won until he came to Detroit).



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Posted 10 November 2005 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ November 10, 2005 - 08:08PM)
That's not taking anything away from Ozzie, saying they could've had a pylon in net?

I realize that's popular opinion, but it's not true. You can't win the Stanley Cup without solid goaltending and a great team.

Few teams win on their goaltenders back (Hasek never won until he came to Detroit).

exactly solid goaltending. great team. Not the other way around. The 2002 team had great goaltending and a great team. Ozzie was all we needed in 1998 to win. We were on a role. He played as well as he had to.

What kind of color is red? Red is a warning, a declaration, a color that says I'm ready to do what it takes. Red is focused and driven because red doesn't like second place. So what kind of color is red? Their kind.

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Posted 10 November 2005 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE (Booster313 @ November 10, 2005 - 07:20PM)
QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ November 10, 2005 - 08:08PM)
That's not taking anything away from Ozzie, saying they could've had a pylon in net?

I realize that's popular opinion, but it's not true.  You can't win the Stanley Cup without solid goaltending and a great team.

Few teams win on their goaltenders back (Hasek never won until he came to Detroit).

exactly solid goaltending. great team. Not the other way around. The 2002 team had great goaltending and a great team. Ozzie was all we needed in 1998 to win. We were on a role. He played as well as he had to.

The best Manny will provide in the playoffs is solid goaltending. At best.

Osgood will be solid with the chance he'll be great.

Who knows. Maybe Manny will prove me wrong in the playoffs, but I doubt it.


#15 Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot)

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 12:21 AM

Why do so many people question Manny's chance of doing well in the playoffs?

I dont think that Manny has EVER given anyone a reason to believe that he cannot be sucessful in the playoffs.

Manny needs that chance, just like Ozzie got in '98

I hear people on this board saying that they like Manny and that he should play most of the regular season games, (as long as he keeps up the stellar play), but then when the playoffs come around, throw in Osgood.

I would say, out of the two goaltenders, Osgood would be more likely to blow a playoff series on a bad goal (as there are a few of those) coughcoughSanJose1994coughcough, or the ever so wonderful LA series that the Wings should have had without a problem (what was it? 2001?)
i remember watching game three when the wings had a 2-0 series lead, and they were up 3-0 in the second period. What happened??? Does anyone remember?
was it 4 straight goals by the kings ? ALL of which Osgood by all means should have had. Did that shift the momentum of that series at all? YOU BETCHA


Wasn't that the reason why we got rid of him in the first place?

I'm sure Ken Holland was so impressed by Osgood's wonderful performances in the playoffs.

I didnt like him then, and i certainly dont like him now.

Before i start writing an essay on the matter, i will end this post with just a simple :


Osgood is no good
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 01:50 AM

QUOTE (Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) @ November 11, 2005 - 12:21AM)
Why do so many people question Manny's chance of doing well in the playoffs?

I dont think that Manny has EVER given anyone a reason to believe that he cannot be sucessful in the playoffs.

Manny needs that  chance, just like Ozzie got in '98

I hear people on this board saying that they like Manny and that he should play most of the regular season games, (as long as he keeps up the stellar play), but then when the playoffs come around, throw in Osgood.

I would say, out of the two goaltenders, Osgood would be more likely to blow a playoff series on a bad goal (as there are a few of those) coughcoughSanJose1994coughcough, or the ever so wonderful  LA series that the Wings should have had without a problem (what was it? 2001?)
i remember watching game three when the wings had a 2-0 series lead, and they were up 3-0 in the second period.  What happened??? Does anyone remember?
was it  4 straight goals by the kings ?  ALL of which Osgood by all means should have had.  Did that shift the momentum of that series at all?  YOU BETCHA


Wasn't that the reason why we got rid of him in the first place?

I'm sure Ken Holland was so impressed by Osgood's wonderful performances in the playoffs.

I didnt like him then, and i certainly dont like him now.

Before i start writing an essay on the matter, i will end this post with just a simple :


Osgood is no good

Maybe because he's played a total of four playoff games in his career? Legace is a total unknown. That's a question mark.

Yes Yes, I remember all the heartbreaking Wings losses in the playoffs over the years, trust me. We had big problems besides Ozzie that kept us from winning. The Red Wings didn't have what it took in 94.

But of course, it was all Ozzie's fault. Good thing the only goals on Legace are shots no one could've stopped.


I'll make it simple too:

All Red Wings goaltenders who won the Stanley Cup as a starter, please step forward.

Whoa... not so fast there Manny.


That's at least worth a question mark in Manny's column, and a little credit to Osgood.

Edited by haroldsnepsts, 11 November 2005 - 01:51 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2005 - 02:52 AM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ November 11, 2005 - 02:50AM)
All Red Wings goaltenders who won the Stanley Cup as a starter, please step forward.

Whoa... not so fast there Manny.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 04:20 AM

I voted Manny - he is one great puckstopper! smile.gif

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 10:14 AM

QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ November 11, 2005 - 02:50AM)
[QUOTE=Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot),November 11, 2005 - 12:21AM]

I'll make it simple too:

All Red Wings goaltenders who won the Stanley Cup as a starter, please step forward.

Whoa... not so fast there Manny.


That's at least worth a question mark in Manny's column, and a little credit to Osgood.

Ok, that game can be played both ways

All Redwings goalies that have the CONSISTANCY(sp?) to start in the playoffs, please step forward...

Wait Osgood, How many soft goals have you allowed in the playoffs?
I can count quite a few, in fact more than most goaltenders out there
You CANNOT let in a goal from the blueline in a PLAYOFF game.
You SHOULD NOT be 10 feet out of your crease as you watch the puck go in.

Osgood's shaky history in the playoffs should make him just as much as a question mark in goal as Manny is, just because Manny has never really had the chance to prove himself

What makes anyone on here think that Manny cant do it?

When has he ever played as inconsistant as Osgood?

Please, let me know
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Posted 11 November 2005 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE (Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot) @ November 11, 2005 - 11:14AM)

What makes anyone on here think that Manny cant do it?

Please, let me know

I like this statement. Ozzie was an unknown before he won the cup. Now it seems like a lot of Ozzie supporters use the fact that he's won it once before as the base of their arguement. Manny will be an unknown too, until he wins the cup. It's time to give him that chance.
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