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#1 CamNeely08

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 01:42 PM

I have a friend that is a scout for a MAJOR hockey agent, apparently Holland inquired harmlessly about Loungo's status, in reply he got an offer from Keenan for a Loungo & Rostislav Olesz (??) Trade for Datsyuk, Legace & Howard.

I'm not quite sure who the Olesz guy is but I like the trade. Apparently I'm not in charge of the redwings though...

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (CamNeely08 @ December 27, 2005 - 02:42PM)
I have a friend that is a scout for a MAJOR hockey agent, apparently Holland inquired harmlessly about Loungo's status, in reply he got an offer from Keenan for a Loungo & Rostislav Olesz (??) Trade for Datsyuk, Legace & Howard.

I'm not quite sure who the Olesz guy is but I like the trade. Apparently I'm not in charge of the redwings though...

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Wow, that is one helluva bad idea. (IMO of course)

You just don't get rid of Datsyuk for Luongo period.. I'm in
the same boat and have no clue about Olesz. But you're trading
our #1 netminder, goalie of the future, our "NOW" and "FUTURE" with Pavel..

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (Covenant @ December 27, 2005 - 02:46PM)
QUOTE (CamNeely08 @ December 27, 2005 - 02:42PM)
I have a friend that is a scout for a MAJOR hockey agent, apparently Holland inquired harmlessly about Loungo's status, in reply he got an offer from Keenan for a Loungo & Rostislav Olesz (??) Trade for Datsyuk, Legace & Howard.

I'm not quite sure who the Olesz guy is but I like the trade.  Apparently I'm not in charge of the redwings though...

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Wow, that is one helluva bad idea. (IMO of course)

You just don't get rid of Datsyuk for Luongo period.. I'm in
the same boat and have no clue about Olesz. But you're trading
our #1 netminder, goalie of the future, our "NOW" and "FUTURE" with Pavel..

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Olesz is very talented, but prone to taking games off. He has not yet reached his potential, but he has a TON of potential. I see no reason why Holland would accept that offer. Seems to me that he should focus his attention on acquiring more beef for the blueline, because the elite goalies are much too expensive

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 01:51 PM

I don't know... I think Loungo is the best Goalie in the NHL. However, when I asked where this trade was going I was told that is either still on the table if not already dead... apparently Holland did't like it to much.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE (CamNeely08 @ December 27, 2005 - 02:51PM)
I don't know... I think Loungo is the best Goalie in the NHL. However, when I asked where this trade was going I was told that is either still on the table if not already dead... apparently Holland did't like it to much.

I agree Luongo is a gem but he's much too expensive. I'm hoping Holland is asking around about guys like Witt and Souray types.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 01:53 PM

Luongo is going to get very pricey very soon. He turned down a 5 year $25M offer from Keenan during the offseason and then Keenan took Roberto to arbitration to get him under contract.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 01:57 PM

That sounds odd...

Why would they ask for Legace AND Howard?

Asking for one or the other is reasonable. But Florida already has Jamie McLennan and JM Pelletier. McLennan is a darn good goalie who has never had a real shot at the starting job (sound familiar) and Pelletier is a very good young goalie.

I could see them asking for Howard because he's a great prospect. I could see them asking for Legace because he's had a good year so far.

But if they got both, then Howard would certainly be headed for the AHL, and would have to compete for playing time with Pelletier. Legace would be installed as starter whether Howard was there or not.

It's unlikely it would be just Howard because then Detroit would have three starter-caliber goalies and Florida would traded a top goalie to have a future starter and a potential starter.

Also, Olesz is Florida's top center prospect. As in rated as a future perennial All-Star.

Florida's players have a total 4.184 salary...Datsyuk/Legace combine for 5.026.

One wonders why the Panthers would make that deal--the only justification would be "Luongo is a FA after this year" but so is Legace. Datsyuk would only play a year and a half before beign a free agent. Olesz is several years younger and would have to play seven years in Florida.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 02:23 PM

Not a legit rumor...

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE (norrisnick @ December 27, 2005 - 01:53PM)
Luongo is going to get very pricey very soon.  He turned down a 5 year $25M offer from Keenan during the offseason and then Keenan took Roberto to arbitration to get him under contract.

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You think Luongo will get huge bucks?

After some of the busts this year, like Khabibulin, and some $900,000 guys like Joseph playing so well, I'm curious to see what the salaries for goaltenders will be like this year in the "new NHL."

It seemed like in the free agent madness prior to this season, there wasn't a lot of middle ground. They were either bargain basement, or ridiculously overpaid.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 05:46 PM

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You think Luongo will get huge bucks?

After some of the busts this year, like Khabibulin, and some $900,000 guys like Joseph playing so well, I'm curious to see what the salaries for goaltenders will be like this year in the "new NHL."

It seemed like in the free agent madness prior to this season, there wasn't a lot of middle ground. They were either bargain basement, or ridiculously overpaid.

Yeah. I'm still not sure how or why Khabibulin got as much as he did. Guess it helps being the lone perceived elite tender on the market but I didn't think it would get that crazy (and I laugh considering he's been outplayed by a healthy margin by two sub $1M goalies this year). Luongo is younger and better than Nikolai, and he'll cash in in a year and a half.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE (norrisnick @ December 27, 2005 - 06:46PM)
QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ December 27, 2005 - 04:31PM)
You think Luongo will get huge bucks?

After some of the busts this year, like Khabibulin, and some $900,000 guys like Joseph playing so well, I'm curious to see what the salaries for goaltenders will be like this year in the "new NHL."

It seemed like in the free agent madness prior to this season, there wasn't a lot of middle ground.  They were either bargain basement, or ridiculously overpaid.

Yeah. I'm still not sure how or why Khabibulin got as much as he did. Guess it helps being the lone perceived elite tender on the market but I didn't think it would get that crazy (and I laugh considering he's been outplayed by a healthy margin by two sub $1M goalies this year). Luongo is younger and better than Nikolai, and he'll cash in in a year and a half.

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Reigning cup winner might have had something to do with it.
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Posted 27 December 2005 - 06:12 PM

I love the idea of Luongo coming to motown but I dont see the wings dealing for him. If Detriot does happen to get Roberto than it will defintaly be a FA signing next season. My reasoning is simple. Manny Legace is having a tremendous season this year if the wings think he can continue his number then he will be resigned hands down. But if the case happens where Legs doesnt perform down the stretch then you can expect some big cash heading towards Luongo and probably somewhere in and around 4.5 million a season. If that happens where money needs to be found its given right to us. Steve and Chelios are pretty much done for next season unfortunitly and Jiri Fischer's career is in thin air leaving the wings with $4,556,000 which is just enough. Of course that will leave us 3 man short but thats what the draft is for an with this "NEW NHL" we will have to come acustom to making sacrifices at some positions and who knows maybe we the scouts can go out there and do what they did this year by picking up Sammy and Lilja not to mention our rooks Lebda and Johan.


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Posted 27 December 2005 - 06:29 PM

QUOTE (eva unit zero @ December 27, 2005 - 05:08PM)
QUOTE (norrisnick @ December 27, 2005 - 06:46PM)
QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ December 27, 2005 - 04:31PM)
You think Luongo will get huge bucks?

After some of the busts this year, like Khabibulin, and some $900,000 guys like Joseph playing so well, I'm curious to see what the salaries for goaltenders will be like this year in the "new NHL."

It seemed like in the free agent madness prior to this season, there wasn't a lot of middle ground.  They were either bargain basement, or ridiculously overpaid.

Yeah. I'm still not sure how or why Khabibulin got as much as he did. Guess it helps being the lone perceived elite tender on the market but I didn't think it would get that crazy (and I laugh considering he's been outplayed by a healthy margin by two sub $1M goalies this year). Luongo is younger and better than Nikolai, and he'll cash in in a year and a half.

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Reigning cup winner might have had something to do with it.

On an unbelievably stacked team. Osgood is a cup winner too, but we all know how that one goes. Though a lot of the Khabi hype came up before the playoffs. $7M is still about $2-3M more than what I would have expected him to make.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 07:14 PM

I would go crazy if Holland excepted that trade.

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE (norrisnick @ December 27, 2005 - 07:29PM)
QUOTE (eva unit zero @ December 27, 2005 - 05:08PM)
QUOTE (norrisnick @ December 27, 2005 - 06:46PM)
QUOTE (haroldsnepsts @ December 27, 2005 - 04:31PM)
You think Luongo will get huge bucks?

After some of the busts this year, like Khabibulin, and some $900,000 guys like Joseph playing so well, I'm curious to see what the salaries for goaltenders will be like this year in the "new NHL."

It seemed like in the free agent madness prior to this season, there wasn't a lot of middle ground.  They were either bargain basement, or ridiculously overpaid.

Yeah. I'm still not sure how or why Khabibulin got as much as he did. Guess it helps being the lone perceived elite tender on the market but I didn't think it would get that crazy (and I laugh considering he's been outplayed by a healthy margin by two sub $1M goalies this year). Luongo is younger and better than Nikolai, and he'll cash in in a year and a half.

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Reigning cup winner might have had something to do with it.

On an unbelievably stacked team. Osgood is a cup winner too, but we all know how that one goes. Though a lot of the Khabi hype came up before the playoffs. $7M is still about $2-3M more than what I would have expected him to make.

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yes, I agree, more than I was expecting.

But teams looked and saw a Tampa team that in a couple years went from the basement to the Cup, and could point to Khabibulin as the "key acquisition"

if Detroit had lost in 97 with Vernon and then won in 98 with Osgood, Ozzie's stock would be FAR higher.
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Posted 28 December 2005 - 03:33 AM

Wow. I wouldn't even give two of them away.

Datsyuk is a player the Wings have to hold onto for as long as they possibly can, and Howard is someone that I wouldn't want to regret trading away in the future.

I might be fine with Legace.

I'm not good at the trading stuff so I won't even try to suggest anything (even though I already did try).

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 09:24 AM

I'd be unsure about what to think. Luongo is one of the best goalies in the NHL, but the Wings have done fine without a great goalie and star studded offense, and I think it should be kept that way. I say no.

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 11:10 AM

Florida is asking way too much if you ask me. That would defienitly be a bad move for Holland and probably cost him his job in a year or two.

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE (CamNeely08 @ December 27, 2005 - 02:42PM)
I have a friend that is a scout for a MAJOR hockey agent, apparently Holland inquired harmlessly about Loungo's status, in reply he got an offer from Keenan for a Loungo & Rostislav Olesz (??) Trade for Datsyuk, Legace & Howard.

I'm not quite sure who the Olesz guy is but I like the trade. Apparently I'm not in charge of the redwings though...

O boy did I just LMAO I call BS. Theres no way that would happen lol.

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 03:22 PM

Nope never ever......horrible deal
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