Mighty Wings 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 We trade Mowers and Franzen (their salaries total roughly $1.1 mil) and a 1st rd pick to Washington for Witt and Pettinger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Franzen? Come on now. He's going to be the Draper of the future for the Wings. No thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 The 1st is way too valuable for landing Witt and I don't think Pettinger will be dramatically better than Franzen anyway, if at all. I wouldn't do that deal. Though I would like to land Witt somehow. peace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimeBinder 28 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Trade Franzen: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Witt will proably be availabe anyway at trade time for a bag of pucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gobias 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Witt is junk and there's no way I'd give more than a low pick or Mowers/Rivers to acquire him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barnes52 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Mowers/Mid draft pick for Witt and Pettinger. Franzen is just too valuable right now. Both he and Franzen should make Draper and Maltby (Especially) more expendible with their high salaries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seth 0 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 The 1st is way too valuable for landing Witt and I don't think Pettinger will be dramatically better than Franzen anyway, if at all. I wouldn't do that deal. Though I would like to land Witt somehow. peace well said NN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted January 16, 2006 Witt is junk and there's no way I'd give more than a low pick or Mowers/Rivers to acquire him. Forget him then. He'll cost no less than a player + 2nd/3rd pick. Junk or not. It's a seller's market. Mowers and Rivers are useless to the Caps. They've got a ton of players better than those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OzManny3034 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Franzen o heck no i would never give up franzen for either witt or pettinger Franzen is doing very well for his first year as a wing and when he gets better he can prob be one of the best wings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barnes52 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Witt is junk and there's no way I'd give more than a low pick or Mowers/Rivers to acquire him. Explain why Witt is junk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 I think a lot of people want to get Witt, but not by giving up such hopefulls as Franzen and Mowers. And I am one of them. Oh wait just kidding on the Mowers part. Keep Franzen for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mighty Wings 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 The only reason I added mowers and franzen is because if you don't and just try to get witt with draft picks, you can't fit him under the cap. Even Mowers and a draft pick isn't enough. Franzen + mowers provides just enough cap space to fit witt. I know many of you don't wanna see franzen go, but you are getting back pettinger who is a grinder and loves to play a smash mouth style of hockey. Yet, somehow has scored 9 goals by playing on the worst team in the NHL. I'm just being creative to how we can shore up weaknesses without hurting our strengths. If not franzen then who would you dangle from the wings roster? Jason Williams? Someone also made a comment before about how witt will be available cheap and its a sellers market. I totally disagree. There will be like half a dozen teams trying to get him and that will drive up his price. If washington wanted to they could've traded him over a couple of months ago, but they are being wise and trying to get the most value for him which is at the deadline. There aren't too many veteran, stay-at-home, physical defensmen that are reliable and cost only $1.8 mil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 There aren't too many veteran, stay-at-home, physical defensmen that are reliable and cost only $1.8 mil. Don't know if Witt falls into that category... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RyanBarnes! 293 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 Someone also made a comment before about how witt will be available cheap and its a sellers market. I totally disagree. There will be like half a dozen teams trying to get him and that will drive up his price. If washington wanted to they could've traded him over a couple of months ago, but they are being wise and trying to get the most value for him which is at the deadline. There aren't too many veteran, stay-at-home, physical defensmen that are reliable and cost only $1.8 mil. That would not be the same person since "cheap" and "seller's market" rules out the other. I made the "seller's maket" comment in response to those who believe Witt will come cheap. He will not. For the very reasons you have stated above. The Caps can shop him around for the best offer and the interest will be great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gobias 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 (edited) Explain why Witt is junk? He's garbage in his own end. The only thing he has going for him is his ability to hit people which I'm almost sure Detroit fans will complain about as well ("why doesn't he hit more?", etc etc). The guy is about on par with Woolley in his own end, which DOES make him a suitable replacement for 6th defenseman but he's not worth anything we'd give up. I'd rather go for someone off the radar and not have to give up a roster player not named Mowers/Rivers. edit: I guess the point I'm trying to make is that he's only wanted because he's available. I'd compare it to Holik's last two FA stints. What? Holik is available? Well he's a super skilled power forward! Let's give him 7 million a year for 10 years. Edited January 17, 2006 by gobias Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mighty Wings 0 Report post Posted January 17, 2006 He's garbage in his own end. The only thing he has going for him is his ability to hit people which I'm almost sure Detroit fans will complain about as well ("why doesn't he hit more?", etc etc). The guy is about on par with Woolley in his own end, which DOES make him a suitable replacement for 6th defenseman but he's not worth anything we'd give up. I'd rather go for someone off the radar and not have to give up a roster player not named Mowers/Rivers. edit: I guess the point I'm trying to make is that he's only wanted because he's available. I'd compare it to Holik's last two FA stints. What? Holik is available? Well he's a super skilled power forward! Let's give him 7 million a year for 10 years. "Will make his presence felt on every shift. Loves to take the body and isn't afraid of dropping the gloves. Is a strong defender while his team is short-handed and an excellent team leader." -TSN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-Swift 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2006 He's garbage in his own end. The only thing he has going for him is his ability to hit people which I'm almost sure Detroit fans will complain about as well ("why doesn't he hit more?", etc etc). The guy is about on par with Woolley in his own end, which DOES make him a suitable replacement for 6th defenseman but he's not worth anything we'd give up. I'd rather go for someone off the radar and not have to give up a roster player not named Mowers/Rivers. edit: I guess the point I'm trying to make is that he's only wanted because he's available. I'd compare it to Holik's last two FA stints. What? Holik is available? Well he's a super skilled power forward! Let's give him 7 million a year for 10 years. I don't believe we're talking about the same Brendan Witt. The guy is a textbook physical, defensive defenceman. At least that's what I've seen out of him. I've always taken a liking to his style of play, and have pushed for the Wing to get him even before Kronwall and Fischer went down. If you want to pan him for anything, I'd start with his offensive game. He's no more offensively gifted than Lilja, and there's no way he could replace the prospective puck-moving and offensive talent that Fischer had. And, just so we can set this straight, Mowers and Rivers have absolutely, positively no trade value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gobias 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) TSN reports suck. Johan Franzen: Flaws: Will be a limited offensive producer at the NHL level, since he doesn't have the speed needed to become a major scoring threat. Mark Mowers: Flaws: Isn't big or fast enough to play regularly in the big league. Jason Williams: Flaws: Lacks size and skating ability. Mathieu Schneider: Flaws: Lacks optimal hockey sense and often gets caught out of position looking for the big hit. No dice. Edited January 18, 2006 by gobias Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StaticWithABeat 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2006 TSN report or not, physical, relatively affordable defensemen like him are a hot commodity right now, Washington will have no problem finding a very good deal for him. If Detroit wants to even have their offer considered, they'd have to offer up someone a lot more substantial than Mowers or Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henkka 0 Report post Posted January 18, 2006 Hmm, Witt maybe would be best guy to replace Fisch. Then we would have quite nice D-pairings. Lidström-Lilja Witt-Schneider Kronwall-Chelios Puckmovin - defensive roling in every pair. It should work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redwingsfanin_BC 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2006 i have a better idea. AS much as i think Zetterberg is great and going to be for years to come throw this at the caps Zetterberg,hudler, and draft pick or something for Oveckin.( Ppl can dream cant they) then our 1st line looks like this next year Oveckin-Datsyuk-Grigorenko plus Dats and oveckin are friends and Dats can actually pass the puc k unline anyone on the caps so Ovechkin could score like 80-90 goals. This is a Dream but a good one at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan27 1 Report post Posted January 19, 2006 trade franzen? no thanks maybe lang for witt straight up we get a defensemen which we really need , and we get rid of some salary , doubt washington would want him back though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StaticWithABeat 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2006 trade franzen? no thanks maybe lang for witt straight up we get a defensemen which we really need , and we get rid of some salary , doubt washington would want him back though I'd bet they'd really like to have Lang back. They have more than enough cap space to accomodate him, and their most pressing need right now is a decent centerman to feed Ovechkin, and Lang could be that guy for them, at least for a season or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreadthered 0 Report post Posted January 20, 2006 Useless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatcat6 0 Report post Posted January 21, 2006 I wouldn't mind this in a way, but I wouldn't give up Lang. I don't think he's as bad as most people think. To much negativity on the guy on this cite, when he's a good player. (Bash me all you want for saying that, and I won't give a damn) The only thing about Witt is, he's getting old as well. I know people like him, because he's a pain in the ass to get around, and he's good, but he might not be here for long. And the Wings are doing really good too. I don't know why people are getting so uptight about they're play. As long as we stay playing like this, and being first or second in the conference, we're playing damn good. Nobody should be panicing right now. Until something bad happens, which won't, then you can go spazzo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
