Keith Tkachuk

[Higgy4 0]

Samuelsson has never been able to score at the NHL level or hold down an NHL job as anything more than a reserve winger.

Scoring 30 on this Wings team would not be huge bargaining power as he would still be 4th or 5th on the team in goals and has no productive past to call upon.

I think 1.3m sounds like a fair salary for Samuelsson to sign at given those facts.

Legace has good numbers, but he has also been injury prone and has shown a tendency to place his own desires ahead of the good of the team.

Plus, who is going to go out and sign Legace for more than say 1.75 or 2m?

Teams that might be looking for a goalie are Edmonton, Phoenix, St. Louis, Toronto.

Edmonton won't offer more than 2 for Legace.

Phoenix would probably be able to resign Cujo for 2.5 or less.

The Blues have almost 3m tied up in Lalime, they won't put that much down on Legace.

Toronto might put more than 2 on Legace, if Belfour retires and they can't get Fernandez for less.

And Detroit wouldn't match Toronto's 3m for Legace, given the fact that several other solid goalies will be available.

If Legace continues at this pace and has a solid playoff run, I guarantee he gets a big contract. I dont mean Turco style at around $5-6 mill. But he will get atleast 1 team that will come at him hard. Goalies are the hot commodity right now and teams are overpaying big time to get them or keep them (Nabokov and Kolzig come to mind). Legace will get a big, big raise after this year.

And Samuelsson will get about $1.5-2.0 mill also if he scores 30 goals. And thats a big raise from where he is now. He will be a hot commodity as well.

[bogeygolfer 4]

I believe Tkachuk is only due $3.8M next season but what counts towards the cap is $5m (law of averages).

options dont get averaged

[bogeygolfer 4]

if legace goes to toronto he will get lit up

legace will stay in detroit, he a perfect fit, he can handle playing with good defence (unlike cu-joe) and detroit will have a great defence for years

[Idaho Winger 0]

Did anyone else notice that though Fat Keith "tried really hard" he didn't register one point in the Olympics? He was playing on a line where Gomez and Gionta were giving him golden oppurtunities, and he couldn't do it. Not thanks to him.

[Higgy4 0]

if legace goes to toronto he will get lit up

legace will stay in detroit, he a perfect fit, he can handle playing with good defence (unlike cu-joe) and detroit will have a great defence for years

Legace will stay in Detroit if they give him a nice contract. Like I said before, Legace is no spring chicken. This offseason will be his 1 and ONLY chance to sign a big money type of contract. The big retirement contract that all players look for when they are Legace's age.

And somebody, quite possibly Toronto, will give him more money.

I am sure Legace is loyal and loves playing for Detroit. But he isnt one of those players who has made millions upon millions over the past 5-6 years. He wil follow the money.

[Naslund19 0]

Please Kenny...???

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Did anyone else notice that though Fat Keith "tried really hard" he didn't register one point in the Olympics? He was playing on a line where Gomez and Gionta were giving him golden oppurtunities, and he couldn't do it. Not thanks to him.

He just had the jinx on him was all. He's still a good player. I bet he keeps on tearin' it up with the Blues when the NHL starts up again.

So, Wings + Tkachuk = over the hump.

[Legendary D In 03 50]

someone, I think eva, mentioned that Chelios would be gone next year, giving us cap room. First of all, he's only making around 900k, correct? Secondly, with his play this year, and his desire to play until he's 50, do you HONESTLY believe he won't be a part of our top four next year?

Word,

LDi03

Oh, and Tkachuk sounds good. But, getting rid of Lang doesn't.

[Heaton 1]

someone, I think eva, mentioned that Chelios would be gone next year, giving us cap room. First of all, he's only making around 900k, correct? Secondly, with his play this year, and his desire to play until he's 50, do you HONESTLY believe he won't be a part of our top four next year?

Word,

LDi03

Oh, and Tkachuk sounds good. But, getting rid of Lang doesn't.

He wasn't supposed to be in our top 4 this year.

[Legendary D In 03 50]

Isn't there some rule that says we can go over the cap this year and it will be tagged off of next year's cap? It'd be better to find a way to trade Williams and keep Lang and land Tkachuk. I don't know...just an idea.

Word, again,

LDi03

[bogeygolfer 4]

Isn't there some rule that says we can go over the cap this year and it will be tagged off of next year's cap? It'd be better to find a way to trade Williams and keep Lang and land Tkachuk. I don't know...just an idea.

Word, again,

LDi03

even trading lang wouldnt be enough cap room for Tkachuk

cannot happen

[Datsyukismyhero 0]

Legace +500K???

Not a chance.  The goaltender market is terribly small now that Turco and Nabakov have already re-upped with thier teams.  Legace, numbers wise, is at the TOP of the NHL right now.  If he puts together a decent Cup run there will a few teams that will throw big dollars at him.  You can bet on it.  Janet Jones would.  LOL

Also, if Samuelsson gets 30+ goals, I would expect a bigger raise than 750K.  Much bigger.

I think you are underestimating a number of guys on that list, financially speaking.

Samuelsson has never been able to score at the NHL level or hold down an NHL job as anything more than a reserve winger.

Scoring 30 on this Wings team would not be huge bargaining power as he would still be 4th or 5th on the team in goals and has no productive past to call upon.

I think 1.3m sounds like a fair salary for Samuelsson to sign at given those facts.

Legace has good numbers, but he has also been injury prone and has shown a tendency to place his own desires ahead of the good of the team.

Plus, who is going to go out and sign Legace for more than say 1.75 or 2m?

Teams that might be looking for a goalie are Edmonton, Phoenix, St. Louis, Toronto.

Edmonton won't offer more than 2 for Legace.

Phoenix would probably be able to resign Cujo for 2.5 or less.

The Blues have almost 3m tied up in Lalime, they won't put that much down on Legace.

Toronto might put more than 2 on Legace, if Belfour retires and they can't get Fernandez for less.

And Detroit wouldn't match Toronto's 3m for Legace, given the fact that several other solid goalies will be available.

One question....How the hell does Legace put his own desires ahead of the team??? He is the best damn goalie in the NHL and has been for a couple years now. He deserved the #1 spot when he was backing up Cujo, who any team would be better off with 6 skaters and no goalie than 5 skaters and him. Legace is the man and he is going to prove it by backing the Wings to another Stanley Cup this year. Would you rather have Ozzie or Legace in goal for the Wings during the playoffs?

[fatcat6 0]

Legace will do good, and he'll do whatever he can to have us win the cup.

About the money thing though, he might get only 1.5 million at best.

And yes, Legace has been good, but I kinda disagree on him being the best goaltender for all the past few years. You can't compare him to starting goalies, because he only has the stats for a backup goaltender. After this you, you can kind of compare him to other starting goalies. I will say that he's beyond average, but not the greatest.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

One question....How the hell does Legace put his own desires ahead of the team??? He is the best damn goalie in the NHL and has been for a couple years now.

Bwahahahahahahahaha! Oh man, that's somethin' right there! Hahahaha, oh geez, good stuff, good show man! Hehehehe, that's genius. Whoo boy.

[fatcat6 0]

Also, we'd have to give up to much for Tkachuk since we don't have a lot of cap space left.

[Higgy4 0]

Legace will do good, and he'll do whatever he can to have us win the cup.

About the money thing though, he might get only 1.5 million at best.

He is making almost that much NOW.

He will double that easily if he continues with the great season he is having and has a good playoff.

Its not that hard to figure out. Quite a few guys with lesser stats and not all that much playoff success are getting $4-5-6 million dollars a season. There is no reason to think that Manny wont get atleast 1 big offer this offseason. GM's lose their minds when it comes to signing goalies. Manny is the best UFA goalie on the market this offseason.

It doesnt take a math major to figure this out. $1.5 million, AT BEST? LOL

[fatcat6 0]

Well sorry to disapoint you, but I'm not a math major.

And I don't really give a holy damn on how much they make.

All I care is that we get good players so we can get the Stanley Cup every year.

The only reason I don't care about what they make now, is because the cap is bigger next year.

So yes, I didn't know how much he made this year, and that's my fault. But at the same time I don't care. All that matters to me is seeing our players hold up the Stanley Cup.

So if Legace's back, he's back.

Just take easy dude, I wasn't being a jerk or anything, I was just stating my opinion.

[eva unit zero 271]

Legace +500K???

Not a chance.  The goaltender market is terribly small now that Turco and Nabakov have already re-upped with thier teams.  Legace, numbers wise, is at the TOP of the NHL right now.  If he puts together a decent Cup run there will a few teams that will throw big dollars at him.  You can bet on it.  Janet Jones would.  LOL

Also, if Samuelsson gets 30+ goals, I would expect a bigger raise than 750K.  Much bigger.

I think you are underestimating a number of guys on that list, financially speaking.

Samuelsson has never been able to score at the NHL level or hold down an NHL job as anything more than a reserve winger.

Scoring 30 on this Wings team would not be huge bargaining power as he would still be 4th or 5th on the team in goals and has no productive past to call upon.

I think 1.3m sounds like a fair salary for Samuelsson to sign at given those facts.

Legace has good numbers, but he has also been injury prone and has shown a tendency to place his own desires ahead of the good of the team.

Plus, who is going to go out and sign Legace for more than say 1.75 or 2m?

Teams that might be looking for a goalie are Edmonton, Phoenix, St. Louis, Toronto.

Edmonton won't offer more than 2 for Legace.

Phoenix would probably be able to resign Cujo for 2.5 or less.

The Blues have almost 3m tied up in Lalime, they won't put that much down on Legace.

Toronto might put more than 2 on Legace, if Belfour retires and they can't get Fernandez for less.

And Detroit wouldn't match Toronto's 3m for Legace, given the fact that several other solid goalies will be available.

One question....How the hell does Legace put his own desires ahead of the team??? He is the best damn goalie in the NHL and has been for a couple years now. He deserved the #1 spot when he was backing up Cujo, who any team would be better off with 6 skaters and no goalie than 5 skaters and him. Legace is the man and he is going to prove it by backing the Wings to another Stanley Cup this year. Would you rather have Ozzie or Legace in goal for the Wings during the playoffs?

I would rather have Ozzie.

Legace has been good, but the team has also played more solid defense in front of him...the difference in stats is a wider gap than the difference in their actual play. Plus, Legace has NEVER shown that he can handle high pressure situations...while Osgood has always played his best hockey in high pressure situations. Currently, the biggest achievement in Legace's career was getting suspended for the Calder Cup finals because he lost his cool. While he hasn't had the opportunity to cost his team a championship in the NHL, his mental game still is certainly lacking and he has a tendency to get rattled more than most starting goalies.

And let me ask you this...you say Legace deserved the starting job and has been the best in the league a couple years now...yet he wasn't the starter in Detroit and the Wings kept picking up players instead of giving him the job.

And you think he would turn down an extra million or more as an outright starter to stay with a team that was reluctant to make him starter because they didn't feel he could handle it?

You are dreaming.

[Heaton 1]

Well sorry to disapoint you, but I'm not a math major.

And I don't really give a holy damn on how much they make.

Two things:

1) You don't need to be a math major to find out a persons salary.

2) Then you shouldn't have posted something you don't care about in the first place.

[Higgy4 0]

Well sorry to disapoint you, but I'm not a math major.

And I don't really give a holy damn on how much they make.

All I care is that we get good players so we can get the Stanley Cup every year.

The only reason I don't care about what they make now, is because the cap is bigger next year.

So yes, I didn't know how much he made this year, and that's my fault. But at the same time I don't care. All that matters to me is seeing our players hold up the Stanley Cup.

So if Legace's back, he's back.

Just take easy dude, I wasn't being a jerk or anything, I was just stating my opinion.

I just didnt agree with you saying that Manny will get $1.5 million at best next season. And thats what my response was about.

Edited February 27, 2006 by Higgy4

[fatcat6 0]

Well with the cap being a part of hockey and all, I have to do the evaluating thing of players. Look at their stats. Who have they played for. What their achievements are. Etc.

With basketball and football man, holy crap it's so easy for me to agree with what a player gets and if it right cool and if it's to low or high, I *****.

But now that it's in hockey, I have to really think. A I'm not doing so well, because it's a whole new thing.

So yeah, Heaton's right, and you're right with your opinion.

I was kinda thinking about it in terms I guess of like starting goalie with starting quarterback, and with Legace being a backup most of carrer and now a starter, I thought that he might of made around 1 million this year.