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#1 Aussie_Wing

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:04 AM

I came across this, and got slightly scared…

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Forwards Valtteri Filppula, Jiri Hudler and Jason Williams have been rumored to be in the mix. Defenseman Jakub Kindl, a first-round pick in 2005, would be desired by many teams, but the Wings might not be willing to trade a potential top-four defenseman. Minor league goalie Jimmy Howard, another former first-rounder, is another prospect the Wings might not be willing to trade.


Regardless of what would come our way, I wouldn’t deal any of these three guys. They are too good to simply trade away. So that begs the question, who do you believe is untouchable and will not be included in any trades in the Wings organisation?

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:05 AM

I'd trade Hudler and Williams without a second though.

Howard, Kindl, and Flip I'd keep.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:12 AM

Zetterberg, Howard, Filppula and Kindl.

I would absolutely waive bye-bye to Williams or Sammy.

Sidenote: Not that anyone is worried about losing Z.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:13 AM

Honestly? Everyone besides Z and Lidstrom can go for the right price, keep in mind many of those prices are so high that no team would pay it.
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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:26 AM

I sincerely hope that they keep Filppula. As much as I like Hudler, I'd chuck him under the bus to keep Flip - but I'd much rather have them both.

From the prospect ranks, I'd hope to keep ahold of Kindl, Ericsson, Quincey on defense. Howard and Liv may both have a future in net. As for forwards, I'd like to keep an eye on Emmerton and Helm, but I'm not terribly attached to most of the ranks on offense in the system.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:31 AM

QUOTE(Heaton @ February 12, 2007 - 10:13AM) View Post

Honestly? Everyone besides Z and Lidstrom can go for the right price, keep in mind many of those prices are so high that no team would pay it.

I have to agree with that. With the exception of Zetterberg and Lidstrom, there isn't anyone on the Wings I wouldn't trade if the return was right.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:00 PM

Zetts, Lids, Howard, Flip, and Hasek (we'd look a little silly tradiing away Dom before the deadline, wouldn't we? tongue.gif).

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:07 PM

Nobody would keep Kronwall?

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:17 PM

I would trade Maltby and Draper for a case of molson longnecks and a 1st round pick.
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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:39 PM

Lebda, Kronwall, Lidstrom, Chelios, Schneider, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hudler, Val Filp, Holmstrom, and our goalies. Untouchables for me.



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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE(discohadestwo @ February 12, 2007 - 11:39AM) View Post

Lebda, Kronwall, Lidstrom, Chelios, Schneider, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hudler, Val Filp, Holmstrom, and our goalies. Untouchables for me.

Agreed, except Id put Brett Lebda on that list.

Yeah I didnt see the first name. well then that list is perfect.

Edited by Salviaman, 12 February 2007 - 12:48 PM.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE(Salviaman @ February 12, 2007 - 12:40PM) View Post

Agreed, except Id put Brett Lebda on that list.

I think you need to re-read his list and look at the first name on his list.

That being said, there is no way all of those guys would fall into an "untouchables" list.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE(discohadestwo @ February 12, 2007 - 12:39PM) View Post

Lebda, Kronwall, Lidstrom, Chelios, Schneider, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hudler, Val Filp, Holmstrom, and our goalies. Untouchables for me.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE(discohadestwo @ February 12, 2007 - 11:39AM) View Post

Lebda, Kronwall, Lidstrom, Chelios, Schneider, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hudler, Val Filp, Holmstrom, and our goalies. Untouchables for me.

So basically, everyone on the Wings who has even the slightest bit of trade value is untouchable?

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE(Aussie_Wing @ February 12, 2007 - 09:04AM) View Post

I came across this, and got slightly scared…

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Regardless of what would come our way, I wouldn’t deal any of these three guys. They are too good to simply trade away. So that begs the question, who do you believe is untouchable and will not be included in any trades in the Wings organisation?


Untouchable Wings?

Zetterberg
Datsyuk
Holmstrom

Filpulla

Cleary

Draper

Lidstrom, Chelios, Lebda.

Probably Kronwall, maybe Schneider.

QUOTE(BlakChamber @ February 12, 2007 - 10:55AM) View Post

So basically, everyone on the Wings who has even the slightest bit of trade value is untouchable?


Would you want to mess up our incredible defense or our unbelievably good first line, or trade away our best prospect?

As far as I think, trades are supposed to make the team BETTER, not mess up a good thing.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 12, 2007 - 12:03PM) View Post

Would you want to mess up our incredible defense or our unbelievably good first line, or trade away our best prospect?

It depends.

If the trade made the team better, than yes, I would do it.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:08 PM

QUOTE(Crymson @ February 12, 2007 - 01:03PM) View Post

Untouchable Wings?

Zetterberg
Datsyuk
Holmstrom

Filpulla

Cleary

Draper

Lidstrom, Chelios, Lebda.

Probably Kronwall, maybe Schneider.
Would you want to mess up our incredible defense or our unbelievably good first line, or trade away our best prospect?

As far as I think, trades are supposed to make the team BETTER, not mess up a good thing.



I don't know that it really matters anymore. With the salary cap era I think we're seeing that it will be hard to build from within if you want to compete year in and year out. There's not likely to be many players sticking around one place too long. I think as we're seeing with current NHLers, that prospects and picks are going to start revolving all over the league as well. I can't foresee a future where you build a core of players that you actually drafted. It'll be more like just a couple, maybe 4 or 5 guys you drafted mixed in with trades and free agents. I don't think we'll see any team build a contender that's loaded with like 9 or 10 of its own draft picks.

My own Untouchable list:

1. Zetterberg
2. Lidstrom
3. Howard

My almost untouchable list:
1. Kronwall
2. Filpulla
3. Kindl

Everybody else I'd trade in a heartbeat if I thought the return made us a better contender.


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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:09 PM

I'd like to add Holmstrom to my list as well. No one in the league does what he does as well as he does it.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE(edicius @ February 12, 2007 - 01:09PM) View Post

I'd like to add Holmstrom to my list as well. No one in the league does what he does as well as he does it.

Ryan Smyth does a bit of the same, but brings more.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE(TerribleTed7 @ February 12, 2007 - 09:07AM) View Post

Nobody would keep Kronwall?

If it gets us the decent scoring winger we need, one that'll also stick around for the future, I'd trade Kronwall in a heartbeat.

Lidstrom and Zetterberg are untouchable. So are guys that fill a definite role: Holmstrom, Cleary. Love Homer on the power play and Cleary on the PK....plus we'll never find anywhere else the bang for the buck that Cleary provides. Anybody who's a goalie except for MacDonald should be off limits too.

Beyond that, if the return is right, why not?
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