Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Only way if we are going to pick another offensive Def... (Sourray???) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Yeah, like an hour before everyone else. Legit sites actually check their sources and make sure something is probably true before posting it on their website. Eklund doesn't have that burden, so he can post it immediately. If it's wrong, like it is most of the time, people apparently forget all the times he's way off the mark and cling to the rare one he actually gets right. Blind squirrel...stopped clock...Eklund... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 The New York papers, especially ones not named the Times, are famous for coveting other teams' players or coaches and starting rumors to the effect that they're available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan40 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Its getting close to the end...time to start making some moves NOW OR NEVER!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aeothe Kaear 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Let me get this straight, they want Schneider for DEFENSIVE help, not offense from the blue line? Did nobody watch him when he played there? Or only in the offensive zone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Schneiders been playing like crap since he returned from his injury. Hes work in the defensive zone is almost comparable to Lilja these days and Detroit did just fine without him on the PP. ...and we've had some terrible playoff luck since this guy came on board. If Detroit traded Schneider in a three way deal, and got a defenseman maybe out of Phoenix, I wouldnt mind at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 16, 2007 WHAT??? For who??? On the night on which they heard that Peter Forsberg was dealt to Nashville for a whopping price in young players and draft picks, the Rangers continued to look like a team that no longer might be desperate to acquire another center by the Feb. 27 trade deadline. But with word coming out of Detroit that Manhattan product and ex-Blueshirt Mathieu Schneider is available, the Rangers still need help on defense. And that was reinforced when the troubled Karel Rachunek-Aaron Ward defense pair yielded a two-on-one goal to Andrew Ladd with 30 seconds left in a first period largely controlled by the Rangers. Not happening. Schneider is gold in the playoffs. 7 assists and a goal last year. Schneiders been playing like crap since he returned from his injury. Hes work in the defensive zone is almost comparable to Lilja these days and Detroit did just fine without him on the PP. ...and we've had some terrible playoff luck since this guy came on board. If Detroit traded Schneider in a three way deal, and got a defenseman maybe out of Phoenix, I wouldnt mind at all. Give him time. I think you mentioned---correct me if I'm wrong---the bad rap Hatcher got after his poor play returning from injury. TRUST ME, sports injuries take a LOT out of you, especially in an anaerobic sport such as hockey (one begins losing anaerobic conditioning after 3 days without maintenance). It takes some time to return to peak condition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Not happening. Schneider is gold in the playoffs. 7 assists and a goal last year. Give him time. I think you mentioned---correct me if I'm wrong---the bad rap Hatcher got after his poor play returning from injury. TRUST ME, sports injuries take a LOT out of you, especially in an anaerobic sport such as hockey (one begins losing anaerobic conditioning after 3 days without maintenance). It takes some time to return to peak condition. That's very true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Not happening. Schneider is gold in the playoffs. 7 assists and a goal last year. Wha?? Do you remember the conversation about Schneider's defensive play in his own end during the playoffs?? He was widely considered to be one of our two worst defenseman defensively in the playoffs. He was terrible in his own end. Sure he put up the points, but as we all know, for the first time last year we scored enough goals to pull out the W's, yet we were constantly deflated by soft goals and piss poor defensive play. Im not going to care if Schneider sticks around, but it would be nice not have to worry about him repeating his defensive play again this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRum #1 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Schneider's playoff numbers against the Oilers did nothing to offset how bad he was defensively in that series. He is what he is...a gifted PP guy who can generate offense from the back-end. He's also a liability defensively who is prone to monumental gaffs and lapses in decision making, many times brought on by teams punishing him on the forecheck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 16, 2007 (edited) Wha?? Do you remember the conversation about Schneider's defensive play in his own end during the playoffs?? He was widely considered to be one of our two worst defenseman defensively in the playoffs. He was terrible in his own end. Sure he put up the points, but as we all know, for the first time last year we scored enough goals to pull out the W's, yet we were constantly deflated by soft goals and piss poor defensive play. Im not going to care if Schneider sticks around, but it would be nice not have to worry about him repeating his defensive play again this year. Enough goals? In any case, I challenge you to find someone who is both better and as loyal to the organization. Edited February 16, 2007 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Enough goals? In any case, I challenge you to find someone who is both better and as loyal to the organization. Lidstrom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedRum #1 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Enough goals? In any case, I challenge you to find someone who is both better and as loyal to the organization. There are D-men out there who arent as skilled as Schneider but would be better for Detroit's situation on the back end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 We'll keep Schneids, thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Only way if we are going to pick another offensive Def... (Sourray???) FFS. How many times have we been over this. You're saying that we should drop Schneider in order to pick up a better defender, and that that defender should be SOURAY? Souray is HIDEOUS in the defensive zone. He's got ~40 points, and he's a -15. Give me a break. Lidstrom I meant to trade for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Schneider is an extremely tradeable player. One of the few "types" of players alot of teams have the need for. I'd trade him to Atlanta for De Vries or Exelby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Griffin 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 well personally, i would trade shnieder for a younger guy or dp just because his contract is up and he might retire and he is old Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 16, 2007 well personally, i would trade shnieder for a younger guy or dp just because his contract is up and he might retire and he is old Schneider has stated that he plays to play well into his 40s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Enough goals? In any case, I challenge you to find someone who is both better and as loyal to the organization. yes, enough goals. And probably a lot more had the defense and goaltending been solid, given that Edmonton boxed us out whenever they went up a goal. As for who else, there has been talk of both Derek Morris and Nick Boynton, in which case, Derek Morris would be an improvement, although the price would be expensive given his contract status. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GuloGulo 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Schneider is an extremely tradeable player. One of the few "types" of players alot of teams have the need for. I'd trade him to Atlanta for De Vries or Exelby Now we're talking. Craig Rivet is another cheapish option (who wouldnt command Schneider even). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 there is NO way Schneider is going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntsVegas Baby 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 (edited) Lets not make Schneid out to be the end all be all, he is very expendable. And for Shanny, I would do it in a heartbeat. I have always believed Scheid is a product of the system and the numbers below prove it. He is good because of the talent around him, not because he is really good. Here is breakdown of his avergaes per game on other teams and his averages per game with Detroit. NOTICE!!! He is a (-17) lifetime with other teams!!! Total Career Stats Teams Games Goals Assists Plus/Minus PP Goals PP Assists Non-Detroit 1110 198 449 -17 88 257 Detroit 209 46 102 67 18 55 Total Career Averages per game Teams Games Goals Assists Plus/Minus PP Goals PP Assists Non-Detroit 1110 0.18 0.40 -0.02 0.08 0.23 Detroit 209 0.22 0.49 0.32 0.09 0.26 I miss the Irish Jig either way!!!! Edited February 16, 2007 by HuntsVegas Baby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Griffin 0 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 how does he know he plays well into his 40's has he seen the future? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 FFS. How many times have we been over this. You're saying that we should drop Schneider in order to pick up a better defender, and that that defender should be SOURAY? Souray is HIDEOUS in the defensive zone. He's got ~40 points, and he's a -15. Give me a break. I meant to trade for. OFFENSIVE DEFENSMEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norrisnick 1 Report post Posted February 16, 2007 Enough goals? In any case, I challenge you to find someone who is both better and as loyal to the organization. Yes, enough goals. We didn't lay goose eggs in consecutive games to bow out of the playoffs and carried a 2-0 lead into the 3rd of game 6, A. Why would a non-Wing player be loyal to the Wings? Wouldn't you consider that a bad attribute seeing as he's playing for a team he's not loyal to? B. In what way has Schneider displayed loyalty to the Wings? C. Apart from the loyalty silliness there are many blueliners to be had that I'd take over High and Wide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
