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Official: Blues trade Tkachuk to Thrashers

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I think because they'd feel it sent the wrong message to the fans, and more importantly (unfortunately) the casual fans. They wouldn't understand the reasoning and would look at it like giving up, same goes for the players.

I wouldn't mind it, mainly because it would help balance our team and I feel Filppula is ready to be a 2nd line center, maybe not offensively, but he wouldn't be a liability.

Your idea would be a smart one, but they wouldn't like it from a business stand point.

That's where PR comes in. And hell many of the fans (the ones that boo and jeer) will know that a player isn't pulling his weight. Kenny can come out and say player A hasn't been playing to his potential and the going rates were too good to pass up. Build up the youngsters that are currently on the 4th and state the only reason they were down there was because the said player A had more of a record to go on, but the kids are capable. OR take the route of bringing in someone else and hope they have better success with the opportunity (ex. move Lang for a 1st acquire another center for a 2nd).

I fully realize that even if Kenny were so inclined he couldn't get rid of everyone unnecessary, but one or two moves could really help in asset management. And even then these guys are well versed in the spin game. Lilly brings toughness anyone?

One of the problems that GMs and coaches are faced with is the pressure of expectations from the public at large. They sometimes have to do what "everyone" thinks they're supposed to do, even when it's not in the best interests of their team. Some researchers conducted a study showing the risk/benefit of football teams going for it on 4th down, and concluded that coaches aren't nearly aggressive enough about doing it. They asked some of the coaches and they admitted that even though they believe it gives them the best chance to win, they know the backlash they'll get if they don't convert and the impact it could have on their jobs. Basically, the percentages could work in their favor, but people will focus on the unorthodox decision, even though it pays more dividends than losses, and the coach will feel the heat.

I have a feeling the same pressure would be at work here. Holland sells and the Wings lose in the first round, people will say it was the cause. Doesn't matter if they would have lost anyway, he would take all the blame for it.

If Kenny can sell it to Ilitch I doubt he'll have anything to worry about from public opinion. That Millen fellow still has a job doesn't he?

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At these prices, just add a first rounder and go after Crosby, when he becomes RFA.

Im not too clear on how the new CBA works. When Crosby turns whatever age and his contract expires, than any team can just offer him the max and the Pens have to match it? Can someone explain how that situation works?

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Im not too clear on how the new CBA works. When Crosby turns whatever age and his contract expires, than any team can just offer him the max and the Pens have to match it? Can someone explain how that situation works?

When Crosby becomes a RFA, teams are allowed to give him offer sheets and the Pens have to match if Crosby signs the offer sheet. However, say the offer sheet is for the max (which it would be), the team that signs Crosby would have to sacrifice a certain amount of picks in compensation.

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When Crosby becomes a RFA, teams are allowed to give him offer sheets and the Pens have to match if Crosby signs the offer sheet. However, say the offer sheet is for the max (which it would be), the team that signs Crosby would have to sacrifice a certain amount of picks in compensation.

At what age does he become RFA? Also, if the pens resign him before he becomes RFA, can a team still submit an offer sheet?

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To me it's a good trade for Atlanta. It would've been a bad one for the Wings.

IMO the Wings don't need Tkachuk. The Thrashers NEEDED him.

True, I'm actually not a hater of the Thrashers- I think they're a pretty good young club that's fun to watch.

Please don't kill me guys! :P

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While I wouldn't go as far as to say not to make a *single* move, rolling the dice on a conditional pick for Bertuzzi doesn't seem so bad, does it?

Something like that seems reasonable in our eyes, but is that was the Panthers are asking? In that scenario they would basically be swallowing a conditional draft pick for sending Luongo packing last year. I doubt Bert is on the move, especially for that price. Who else did Florida get in that trade last year?

To HELL with that! Jump in with both feet Kenny!!

Put Schneider, Lang, Willy, Lilly, Maltby, etc... on the market and get in on this action ASAP!! The latter four have been bouncing around between mediocre and atrocious for most of the season and we've shown we can play without Schneider. We're a one line team anyway atm, and rather than cripple the next couple of the seasons to bring in an overhyped 2nd liner we should get sell while the selling's good.

Zhitnik for Coburn?

Rivet and a 5th for Gorges and a 1st?

Tkachuk for 3-4 1st/2nds?

The aforementioned 5 players ought to land us 3 1sts and a couple prospects/warm bodies. And really, what do we lose in terms of competitiveness? Not much if anything...

Hmmmmm, I haven't thought about the Wings becoming sellers. I like it.

With that said, Holland would never do it.

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Something like that seems reasonable in our eyes, but is that was the Panthers are asking? In that scenario they would basically be swallowing a conditional draft pick for sending Luongo packing last year. I doubt Bert is on the move, especially for that price. Who else did Florida get in that trade last year?

seeing as Bert will not have played before the deadline, no team really knows what he will bring to the table post-injury, and thus if Florida was really intent on dumping him off, they should not be expecting very much back.

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Something like that seems reasonable in our eyes, but is that was the Panthers are asking? In that scenario they would basically be swallowing a conditional draft pick for sending Luongo packing last year. I doubt Bert is on the move, especially for that price. Who else did Florida get in that trade last year?

Hmmmmm, I haven't thought about the Wings becoming sellers. I like it.

With that said, Holland would never do it.

Yep, that makes too much sense.

NN for GM! :P

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Guest Crymson

i'm at the point of letting go of this season...

just concentrate on resigning Datsyuk, Markov, Hasek and Chelios and pick up some grit UFA's...

we need major moves to advance in the playoffs, and we're not going to get that without selling the farm, and it just isn;t worth it. Were not going anywhere with 1 line and no grid, and we're not going to be able to offload Lang or Williams.

AS much as i like the skill of european players, we need some good old fashioned north american grit in our team.

I don't understand the point of giving up on this season, nor of drawing the permanent conclusion that the Wings won't go anywhere without x number of players, or a certain increase on the y-axis grit scale.

Honestly, things happen in the playoffs that nobody expects. Anaheim to the finals in '03? Wow. Florida in '96? What??

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Something like that seems reasonable in our eyes, but is that was the Panthers are asking? In that scenario they would basically be swallowing a conditional draft pick for sending Luongo packing last year. I doubt Bert is on the move, especially for that price. Who else did Florida get in that trade last year?

It was Bert, Auld, and Allen for Krajicek and Luongo.

Allen for Krajicek is basically an even swap, so Bert and Auld for Luongo.

If Auld can regain the potential he was showing in Vancouver, and Florida gets a decent pick and/or prospect for Bertuzzi, the Luongo trade might not be so bad.

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he's at the point oof letting go of this season? :unsure:

:D :D :D :D

that's one of the most pessimistic quotes i've heard this year! the playoffs start in 5-6 weeks okay? jus tso you know.

and yeah, the 03 ducks and 96 panthers made the finals, and the 07 wings are a lot better than any of those teams. so try to actually ROOT for your team aiiight?

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I would've really liked to see Keith here in Detroit, I think he would've fit all the teams needs quite nicely. But, the price was too high, so I'm glad he was passed on. I hope they pass on Bert also, for multiple reasons, he's a shell of his former self, hasn't played all year, would have to be on Z and Dats line, cause him and Lang are just too damn slow, and many more. I'm not crazy about the Blake rumors either, really doesn't fit anything Kenny said the team was looking for. To me, it's not enought to just simply be an improvement over Williams.

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