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#1 T-Ruff

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 04:05 PM

Per TSN, the Gazette:
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The on-going negotiations between the Pittsburgh Penguins and government officials over the building of a new area are not going as well as hoped.

According to a report in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, the Penguins have declared an impasse and will aggressively explore moving the franchise to a new city.

Penguins co-owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle told Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell, Allegheny County chief executive Dan Onorato and Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl about their decision in a letter on Monday.

According to the report, the Penguins had agreed to pay $4 million annually in rent and capital expenses to contribute to a new area, as well as an additional $500,000 for a parking garage, but the two sides have not been able to reach an agreement. The Penguins had originally offered to pay $2.86 million annually in the offer that was presented by state and local leaders at a meeting January 4.

''Unfortunately, we still don't have a deal and are faced with mounting uncertainty that an agreement can be reached in a time frame that is realistic for our organization,'' the letter states. ''Therefore, we have no choice but to declare an impasse and to notify NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman that we will aggressively explore relocation.

''A project of this scope, with so many complex issues, can ill afford further delays that add more risk and more uncertainty. The risk has been magnified by what we perceive as a lack of collaboration from the public sector in the negotiations.

''Our good faith efforts have not produced a deal, however, and have only added more anxiety to what we thought at best was a risky proposition for us moving forward.''

Kansas City is the favourite to land the Penguins as they have a brand new arena that is missing a tenant.

Edited by T-Ruff, 05 March 2007 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2007 - 04:16 PM

1. Penguins to Kansas City.
2. Detroit to Eastern Conference.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 04:20 PM

This is getting a little old. I know they really want a new arena, and I understand a complete relocation is a HUGE call, and there may be more behind closed doors than I know about ... but this is starting to seem like 'boy who cried wolf' threats. ... if that makes sense. Just seems like Mario keeps threatening but then nothing happens.



QUOTE(Icer @ March 5, 2007 - 01:16PM) View Post

1. Penguins to Kansas City.
2. Detroit to Eastern Conference.


I know the team should cater to the people of Detroit, but NO!!! haha, sorry, I will remain biased. Sure I woulfd love to see Detroit play Toronto a fe wmore times every year, but I like Detroit where they are.
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Posted 05 March 2007 - 04:22 PM

Not only is "cry wolf" tactics, it has to be a distraction for a club that's doing very well since the All-Star break. They made some moves at the deadline, and they look like they want to make a run this season (as unlikely as it seemed a few months back). It's unfortunate that Crosby and the bunch have to think about this garbage while they're trying to win hockey games, get themselves back into the playoffs and make a showing.

As for moving the Red Wings to the East, I've always been opposed to it, however, after hearing some of the management and players' opinions regarding travel and time zone shifts and such, it may not be such a terrible idea. I don't like the style of the Eastern Conference and how it matches up against the Wings, but I'm sure they can adjust, and the flights to and from San Jose/LA/Vancouver/Calgary fewer times a season would be nice for the guys.

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#5 Kp-Wings

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 04:40 PM

I would be in somewhat favor of it if the Wings move into the East. But I will really feel bad for the fans of Pittsburgh of the Penguins move to KC, and win the Cup in their first year (like the Av's did when they left Quebec). Nobody will hardly watch in the regular season, but if they win in their first year I guarentee all the bandwagoners will come in full force. All we need is another team filled with bandwagon fans that, when the team is starting to slip just a little, nobody goes to watch anymore. Just look at the Av's. Since their not invinciable anymore, hardly anyone supports them.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 05:08 PM

We're so close to a move to the East now. Please, for love of god, I hope the Penn govt doesn't fold at the last minute.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 05:11 PM

AS was stated in many previous posts, The bluejackets would probably move east before the Wings do.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE(PunkChildP @ March 5, 2007 - 06:11PM) View Post

AS was stated in many previous posts, The bluejackets would probably move east before the Wings do.


How many times does this have to be brought up!!?? NO, we're not going to the Eastern Conference, Columbus would go first.
NOBODY ON THE RED WINGS IS LAZY, NOR DO ANY OF THE WINGS PLAYERS SUCK!!!

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE(BigTex @ March 5, 2007 - 05:18PM) View Post

How many times does this have to be brought up!!?? NO, we're not going to the Eastern Conference, Columbus would go first.


why are you yelling and agreeing with me?

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 05:40 PM

The wings will move to the East. Mr. Ilitch and his goons will have Bettman hanging over a 10 story building if thats what it takes.
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Posted 05 March 2007 - 05:44 PM

man that govt. up in pen town is just plain dumb.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 06:25 PM

Wings Management seems to feel they are going to be the ones who go East...

From the Free Press...

"I can assure you if anybody from the Eastern Conference moves West, we'll be the Western team to go East," senior vice president Jimmy Devellano told me Tuesday.

If realignment is required, Devellano assured me the Wings have laid the groundwork to shift easterly.

"We've already done that," he said, "we've done that for a long time."
(End of Story)

Pretty much seems they are set on moving if it is even the slightest possibility. Though Bill Daly's response is a little disheartening...

"I asked NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly about the unfairness regarding travel..."it's not a new burden for Detroit, and that it has benefited the league to have Detroit in the West, which would play into the league's consideration of how to realign."

"Detroit would clearly have a strong case," Daly said, "but by the same token, there are other teams in the Western Conference that kind of depend on Detroit being in the Western Conference, so ... there's always balancing involved that would involve a lot of debate, I'm sure, with respect to what you do with the realignment. But hopefully we never get there. At least at this point."


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Posted 05 March 2007 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE(WhiteLightning91 @ March 5, 2007 - 06:25PM) View Post

Wings Management seems to feel they are going to be the ones who go East...

From the Free Press...

"I can assure you if anybody from the Eastern Conference moves West, we'll be the Western team to go East," senior vice president Jimmy Devellano told me Tuesday.

If realignment is required, Devellano assured me the Wings have laid the groundwork to shift easterly.

"We've already done that," he said, "we've done that for a long time."
(End of Story)


You know, I've cited these kind of quotes from the Wings camp before. The funny thing about all of this (to me), is how alot of the Wings fans here side with the BlueJackets, Bettman, the league, some blog "reporter", etc before they'll side with the freaking Red Wings management and ownership...which have said THE ABOVE....repeatedly.

Anyway-

Concerning the Pens announcement today....more posturing from Lemieux, nothing else. Hes not going to move the team...but he does think he can scare more money out of the government coffers up there for a new arena.





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Posted 05 March 2007 - 07:09 PM

Two words: Scare Tactics

Edited by MacK_Attack, 05 March 2007 - 07:09 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2007 - 07:22 PM

for me, and me being completely selfish, the wings coming east would be FANTASTIC thumbup.gif yowza.gif
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Posted 05 March 2007 - 07:59 PM

I'm getting so sick of hearing this.

I was pulling for the city, now I say shut up and move the team.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 08:15 PM

I am sick of this soap opera.

I swear, move already or I will change the channel to General Hospital....

Let's go EAST!!!!
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 08:17 PM

im new, the general consensus here is put the team in the east seems like, good to hear clap.gif
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Posted 05 March 2007 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE(evilmrt @ March 5, 2007 - 07:48PM) View Post

You know, I've cited these kind of quotes from the Wings camp before. The funny thing about all of this (to me), is how alot of the Wings fans here side with the BlueJackets, Bettman, the league, some blog "reporter", etc before they'll side with the freaking Red Wings management and ownership...which have said THE ABOVE....repeatedly.



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the bottom line is we've been doing the roadtrips for DECADES LONGER and have spent alot of incresed money on travel for DECADES. I don't care if Columbus is .345 degrees farther east of Detroit geographically or whatever the argument is , if you think that's how it should be then Atlanta should go to the West.

the Pens are most likely moving to KC, the area is built, the company that owns it, AEG, has a big wig on the NHL re-location committee. It's all set up for them to move, this is just posturing by the Pens.


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Posted 05 March 2007 - 08:21 PM

QUOTE(PunkChildP @ March 5, 2007 - 05:11PM) View Post

AS was stated in many previous posts, The bluejackets would probably move east before the Wings do.



I don't care what was said in any posts or in previous talks at the meetings. The Wings have desire to move east and alot of pull. If the West with the exception of the Wings wants them to stay, and all of the East wants the Wings to move east, that means 16-14 Wings win and go East.
Plus if they move the Jackets east, I will burn their building to the ground. flamingmad.gif Then we will go anyways.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

This thread has been closed due to emotions being higher than people's ability to read, interpret, and properly respond to simple posts.





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