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#21 Heroes of Hockeytown

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:33 PM

I think you're confused about the meaning of enforcer, viperar. Bertuzzi's no fighter (which is what the term brings to mind). Hopefully he can lay out some thunderous body checks, but at no point is Bertuzzi in Detroit to enforce anything.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE(Heroes of Hockeytown @ March 7, 2007 - 09:33PM) View Post

I think you're confused about the meaning of enforcer, viperar. Bertuzzi's no fighter (which is what the term brings to mind). Hopefully he can lay out some thunderous body checks, but at no point is Bertuzzi in Detroit to enforce anything.

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Although Bertuzzi can definitely hold his own in a fight, he doesn't fight much at all.

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE(One of the Few @ March 7, 2007 - 09:32PM) View Post

You are missing the obvious.

Bertuzzi is a skill player with the ability to put the puck in the net on a very regular basis. He's also a physical presence on the ice in the way he hits. If management picked him up just as an enforcer, then your management is dumb as a bag of rocks. There are better enforcers available at way less money.


I dont think thats what viper meant, he just eant that bertuzzi isnt affraid to stick up for his team. I think the management knew that they had to get somewhat of an enforcer, but they also wanted someone wil soft hands that could put the puck in the net. Instead of picking up two different people, one gritty player and one scorer, they got a 2 in 1 player with bertuzzi. I think they did the best they could and im plenty happy.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:36 PM

You guys want Bert to be what he was for us prior to the Moore incident; a hard-hitting and high-scoring power forward who had opposing players listening for footsteps. If he brings that to Detroit like he did to Vancouver, you will all be very happy.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:38 PM

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You guys want Bert to be what he was for us prior to the Moore incident; a hard-hitting and high-scoring power forward who had opposing players listening for footsteps. If he brings that to Detroit like he did to Vancouver, you will all be very happy.


Exactly! Nailed it. Were you canuck fans upset when he left or good ridence?
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:39 PM

QUOTE(My GF Wishes I Was Hank @ March 7, 2007 - 09:35PM) View Post

I dont think thats what viper meant, he just eant that bertuzzi isnt affraid to stick up for his team.

And that was my original point. I think he would be happy to leave that up to others. He may do some pushing and shoving, but he's just not going to concern himself with making that a big part of his game.

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:42 PM

QUOTE(One of the Few @ March 7, 2007 - 09:39PM) View Post

And that was my original point. I think he would be happy to leave that up to others. He may do some pushing and shoving, but he's just not going to concern himself with making that a big part of his game.

Exactly, well its never been a huge part of his game, but hes never been affraid to do so,which is what i liked about him.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:44 PM

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Exactly! Nailed it. Were you canuck fans upset when he left or good ridence?

I felt it was time for a change all around. Both Bert and Crow. Bertuzzi carried too much baggage in a Canucks jersey and I felt it was affecting the dressing room. Last year kind of proved that. Maybe Vigneault could've made Bertuzzi a presence again, but I'm just as glad for the change, and let's face it, we got Luongo so there's no one unhappy with the way the trade worked out.

I will always miss Bert's style of play, his battles with Chelios and Willie Mitchell and others, and I have a lot of great memories of watching him play. No hard feelings on my part, and from what I see, most Canucker's feel the same. I'm sure there'll be some boos in GM Place when he returns though, more-so if he's playing well like we wanted him to. That would be a bit of kick in the nuts.

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:48 PM

the thing with Bert is that everyone knows how tough he can be, everyone knows what he brings to the table. With that said, he doesnt really have to display that because noone really calls him on it. His presence alone makes the other teams aware of it and because of that, he can play the skillful game that he plays. With that said, if someone were to call him out on it, you can sure as hell bet he would go out there and show them whose boss!

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I felt it was time for a change all around. Both Bert and Crow. Bertuzzi carried too much baggage in a Canucks jersey and I felt it was affecting the dressing room. Last year kind of proved that. Maybe Vigneault could've made Bertuzzi a presence again, but I'm just as glad for the change, and let's face it, we got Luongo so there's no one unhappy with the way the trade worked out.

I will always miss Bert's style of play, his battles with Chelios and Willie Mitchell and others, and I have a lot of great memories of watching him play. No hard feelings on my part, and from what I see, most Canucker's feel the same. I'm sure there'll be some boos in GM Place when he returns though, more-so if he's playing well like we wanted him to. That would be a bit of kick in the nuts.


Yeah i guess you couldnt be to upset with the fact that you guys got luongo out of it. There were some rumors that we might of gotten him, but we didnt have anything to give up. I think florida wanted to much for him from the wings, and had we given them one of our key players to pick up a goalie we would have skill in the crease but no chemistry in the front lines, so i think we made out pretty well with signing hasek cheap. Although luongo would have been nice....
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:52 PM

Yeah i didnt mean enforcer as someone whos automatically gonna drop the gloves to backup his team, but he can stand up for his team in other ways, laying legal ice hits, bumping a few guys around, and yes I am WELL aware of his scoring ability, thats why I was so excited, as said, hes 2 in 1.

But then again i dont think Holland picked him up for just goal scoring either, cause well, we have good players for that already. Detroit needs grit, thats what all the trade rumors and trade news said, and we knew that, so we picked up calder, whos been fantastic, and then bert. We have yet to see what bert can do but in my opinion in no way was his grit and force ignored when he was picked up.


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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:56 PM

I've been waiting anxiously for this type of post, from Redbrock: "i hope bert steps on Forsberg's 'FOOT' during the second round of the playoffs and Forsberg 'when we play nashville in the second round' and Forsberg sits the rest of the playoffs and detroit goes on to the West Finals vs. '*insert team*' and we win and go to the Cup Finals Vs. Buffalo. then ..........'read sig'"

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE(Viperar @ March 7, 2007 - 09:52PM) View Post

Yeah i didnt mean enforcer as someone whos automatically gonna drop the gloves to backup his team, but he can stand up for his team in other ways, laying legal ice hits, bumping a few guys around, and yes I am WELL aware of his scoring ability, thats why I was so excited, as said, hes 2 in 1.

But then again i dont think Holland picked him up for just goal scoring either, cause well, we have good players for that already. Detroit needs grit, thats what all the trade rumors and trade news said, and we knew that, so we picked up calder, whos been fantastic, and then bert. We have yet to see what bert can do but in my opinion in no way was his grit and force ignored when he was picked up.


I think calder has been superb so far. I thought that he was ganna be 2007's Corey cross, but man was i wrong. He didnt seem to be to great in philly, but its obvious that was just because there was noone around him with skill. I think he already has more points in a detroit jersey than he did in a philly's haha. Great pick up. With addition of a healthy bert i think we are in great shape. I would throw him on a line with calder and lang, make it our number 2 line, but thats just me.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:57 PM

Bertuzzi has fought people before, but he's not a full time enforcer. If he does drop the gloves, it will be for a reason. He's not going to be one of these guys that go out and fight for their own enjoyment.

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:57 PM

I hope he does well for you and proves a lot of people who I have argued with wrong. I just hope he doesn't play too well against us.

But I have to admit, I'm interested to see Matt Cooke take a run at him. And Bert would take it all in stride. He'd smile as he's getting up off his ass.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE(My GF Wishes I Was Hank @ March 7, 2007 - 09:56PM) View Post

I think calder has been superb so far. I thought that he was ganna be 2007's Corey cross, but man was i wrong. He didnt seem to be to great in philly, but its obvious that was just because there was noone around him with skill. I think he already has more points in a detroit jersey than he did in a philly's haha. Great pick up. With addition of a healthy bert i think we are in great shape. I would throw him on a line with calder and lang, make it our number 2 line, but thats just me.


I wouldnt say calder wasnt surrounded by skill in philly, there are plenty of skilled players in philly, the team jsut isnt clicking in my opinion

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:01 PM

QUOTE(Viperar @ March 7, 2007 - 09:58PM) View Post

I wouldnt say calder wasnt surrounded by skill in philly, there are plenty of skilled players in philly, the team jsut isnt clicking in my opinion

Agreed i guess i should have worded that differently.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:03 PM

QUOTE(My GF Wishes I Was Hank @ March 7, 2007 - 10:01PM) View Post

Agreed i guess i should have worded that differently.


yeah no i got the point though, hes def around a team that clicks now biggrin.gif

As far of the argument at hand, i think we all have differing concepts of an enforcer, but when I think of someone whos gonna drop the gloves no matter what to fight etc... i call them a fighter, enforcers can go about playing great hockey, legally, and are presence enough to make people think twice about hitting our smaller goal scoring snipers
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:05 PM

QUOTE(Viperar @ March 7, 2007 - 10:03PM) View Post

yeah no i got the point though, hes def around a team that clicks now biggrin.gif

As far of the argument at hand, i think we all have differing concepts of an enforcer, but when I think of someone whos gonna drop the gloves no matter what to fight etc... i call them a fighter, enforcers can go about playing great hockey, legally, and are presence enough to make people think twice about hitting our smaller goal scoring snipers

Exactly i think we are all right on this concept, things just get lost in translation because everyone has their own thoughts about enforcers and fighters, but in reality we are all really saying the same things.
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:06 PM

hahahahaha


OFFTOPIC: yo did you realize we have the same bday? haahha i was being creepy and loooking at your profile, i thought i had clicked mine for a second but it was yours hahahaha goal.gif
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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE(Viperar @ March 7, 2007 - 10:06PM) View Post

hahahahaha
OFFTOPIC: yo did you realize we have the same bday? haahha i was being creepy and loooking at your profile, i thought i had clicked mine for a second but it was yours hahahaha goal.gif


Haha thats awesome, in that case happy belated birthday!
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