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#1 Yzermania19

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 12:55 AM

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PITTSBURGH (AP) - Penguins owner Ron Burkle traveled to Las Vegas on Wednesday to meet with the mayor and discuss the possibility of relocating the team there.

Burkle, who lives in Los Angeles, led a delegation in talks with Las Vegas Mayor Oscar B. Goodman, according to Penguins spokesman Tom McMillan.

Meanwhile, Burkle and co-owner Mario Lemieux all prepared to meet with state, county and local officials on Thursday in Philadelphia to try to resolve differences over plans for a new arena in Pittsburgh.

Elena Owens, a spokeswoman for Goodman, confirmed the meeting with Penguins officials and said, "they had a very pleasant conversation." She declined to elaborate.


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Posted 08 March 2007 - 12:57 AM

man no offense, but thats gotta be like 5 threads today posted about this, just stick to the impasse thread blink.gif
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 05:03 AM

Vegas, Seattle, Winnipeg, KC, etc. Whatever. They need to stay there and the city officials need to make that shet happen.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 07:27 AM

I think Vegas would be a huge mistake. I was there in Jan and asked them to turn on the Wings vs. Avs game. They all looked at me like i was growing a third arm and had three heads. One guy even said, "you know that your in the desert right?"

I just don't see hockey working in Vegas. I love Vegas and would love to be able to go to some games when i'm there but i feel like it would just fail. Pitt has to step up and make sure that they are able to keep this team. Come on, this is a potential dynasty in the making. Why wouldn't they and make sure they stay in Pitt.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 08:40 AM

Moving to Vegas would be a joke and a travesty.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 08:59 AM

I don't see Vegas as a bad thing.

First of all, we know that Gambling drives sports, it's one of the biggest reasons that the NFL and College Football have gained so much popularity because they're good betting sports. To have the NHL actually IN Vegas would definitely open up eyes to the sport in the gambling rings.

Second, the casinos would buy up all the tickets and use them as freebies for their guests. it's a small investment for such large businesses, and they're always looking for any small way to entice people to stay at their casino.

the bad thing would be, even though the tickets are sold, people might not go to the games. They wouldn't have a true "home crowd", just folks who are in town and decide to catch a game while they're there. And the biggest issue would be keeping the players in line. Every road trip that teams take to Vegas has the potential for big time bad news. gambling, hookers, drugs. They'd have to keep a tight leash on the players.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 09:23 AM

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 8, 2007 - 02:59PM) View Post

I don't see Vegas as a bad thing.

First of all, we know that Gambling drives sports, it's one of the biggest reasons that the NFL and College Football have gained so much popularity because they're good betting sports. To have the NHL actually IN Vegas would definitely open up eyes to the sport in the gambling rings.

Second, the casinos would buy up all the tickets and use them as freebies for their guests. it's a small investment for such large businesses, and they're always looking for any small way to entice people to stay at their casino.

the bad thing would be, even though the tickets are sold, people might not go to the games. They wouldn't have a true "home crowd", just folks who are in town and decide to catch a game while they're there. And the biggest issue would be keeping the players in line. Every road trip that teams take to Vegas has the potential for big time bad news. gambling, hookers, drugs. They'd have to keep a tight leash on the players.


I agree I haven't really seen the big problem with Las Vegas, there could be some great exposure and definitely better than placing it in an area where it might not be appreciated as much. Las Vegas also has visitors from across the country and much of the world so selling tickets would never be a problem.

You're right though about attendance, there's a risk the team might turn into a "show biz" team with no real hardcore crowd. I guess this depends on if you can limit the amount of tickets sold to corporations and encourage regular people to go.

About the "bad news" as you call them it doesn't really matter where you go, all those three you can get a hold of everywhere, esp hookers and drugs. Besides I players are usually held on quite a tight leash I doubt much would happen - big scandals might still happen but not with any regularity anymore.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 09:25 AM

People wont go to the games there. it just wont happen sorry
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 09:39 AM

I'm sorry, but does Vegas have an arena that is large enough to support an NHL Franchise? (in the neighborhood of 18,000 and Up)

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 09:51 AM

QUOTE(Hiei @ March 8, 2007 - 09:39AM) View Post

I'm sorry, but does Vegas have an arena that is large enough to support an NHL Franchise? (in the neighborhood of 18,000 and Up)

I know Vegas does have an arena and currently an ECHL team ( Vegas Wranglers I think...) I couldn't tell ya the seating capacity though....
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 09:55 AM

I don't think an Arena would be an issue in Vegas, that's a town that knows how to get a big project built fast. If it couldn't happen, then I doubt they would even be talking about it.

But Kansas City is offering a pretty sweet deal, it might be hard to pass up on that one.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE(Winged Scooter @ March 8, 2007 - 08:51AM) View Post

I know Vegas does have an arena and currently an ECHL team ( Vegas Wranglers I think...) I couldn't tell ya the seating capacity though....


I know they have an ECHL team and the reported Capacity of the Thomas and Mack Center is somewhere around 10,000

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:05 AM

Man If Pittsburgh moves out west I hope this means the Wings go to the east. We would be in the Northeast with Leafs< Hasbeens, and Sens and Buffalo, that would be a dream. Since i live in so called "Leafs Territory" this would be awsome for me to see the WIngs beat up on the Leafs 8 times a year. BTW Boston would take pittsburgh's place in the atlantic, Pittsburgh goes into the Northwest and Minny moves into the central. I could live with not playing Chigago very much becuase we would play the other 4 Original 6 teams a total of 24 times in a year.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:10 AM

I just hope that two eastern teams will move to the west, so THE DETROIT RED WINGS can move to the east.

If Pens will move to west, it's Columbus which will move to east before Wings.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:14 AM

so im wondering how the bets will look and change in vegas if they get a team=)
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:23 AM

I really don't think they're serious about Vegas. The Pens are just doing their due diligence. We all know they'll end up in KC, but they need to at least keep up appearances so it looks like their move is a product of a bad situation in Pittsburgh rather than looking like they've been moving to KC all along.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:27 AM

KC is the worst place to go, they can't even support a Baseball team. They should go to Winnipeg, they just built a huge brand new arena there.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:28 AM

listen..they need to send them to cape breton.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE(redwingfan19 @ March 8, 2007 - 09:27AM) View Post

KC is the worst place to go, they can't even support a Baseball team. They should go to Winnipeg, they just built a huge brand new arena there.

By that logic, the Blackhawks and Bruins shouldn't have a team.

KC doesn't support their baseball team because, like the Blackhawks and Bruins, the ownership of the Royals doesn't seem to care about winning.

On the flipside, you could say that they should go to KC, look how well they support the Chiefs.

I think given the recent gambling scandal in the NHL, Vegas is going to be a no go.

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Posted 08 March 2007 - 11:52 AM

I live in Vegas, and although the ECHL team doesn't even sell out their 7,000 seat arena until the playoffs start, one must also remember that ECHL hockey really, really sucks. Nobody can connect on a pass to save their lives. When the Thunder were here(the now kaput IHL, I beleive), they had a much better turnout as it was more entertaining hockey to watch. For my own selfish reasons I'd love them to put a team here, but this town would have mainly fans that support this team until their old team came to town. There's no way I'd root against the Wings, ever. As many MI transplants as there are here, this would turn into JLA even-further-west as happens in Phoenix.





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