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#21 Elshupacabra

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE(toby91_ca @ March 19, 2007 - 04:50PM) View Post

With respect to the Lester Patrick Trophy, Gretzky won this award in 1994.


Yzerman won it in 2006

2006 - Red Berenson, Marcel Dionne, Reed Larson, Glen Sonmor, Steve Yzerman

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EDIT: NVM, You edited your post

Edited by Elshupacabra, 19 March 2007 - 05:05 PM.


#22 toby91_ca

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE(Elshupacabra @ March 19, 2007 - 05:54PM) View Post

he won it in 2006

2006 - Red Berenson, Marcel Dionne, Reed Larson, Glen Sonmor, Steve Yzerman

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Yeah, I fixed it, the data I was looking at only went up to 2004. Can't say it is an award I follow very closely.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE(Never Forget Mac #25 @ March 19, 2007 - 05:36PM) View Post

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:07 PM

I have this same discussion all the time at school... I argue Yzerman is the greatest EVER ( including Gretzky, lemieux and whomever else). My arguement is he had very few quality teamates the first decade of his career, and when he did get some good teamates he was converted to a defensive forward by scotty bowman.

All the guys say " no way, he's overrated, gretzky has more points. Gretzky also had superb linemates his whole career.

Another of my arguements is I've been watching Steve all my life, he is the greatest ever, curagous, determined, leadership, skill, everything.

"Then why don't sports broadcasters say he's the best" They wouldn't be alowd, if they caused this much controversy, they would be fired.

Something Non-Wings fans will never know, and Wings fans wil always live with. Yzerman is the Greatest of All -Time.No question.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE(Manny4Prez @ March 19, 2007 - 05:40PM) View Post

Exactly. Sure, Gretzky owns all the records and glory, but if I'm correct, he never had the 'C' sewn on his sweater. Furthermore, Yzerman won the Lester Patrick Trophy for overall contribution to hockey in the United States.

That award is not on Gretzky's resume.

I realized this post was wrong after selecting "Add Reply" but before the page loaded. I tried to stop it in an attempt to save my dignity but failed miserably. Please forgive me.

Also...apparently I suddenly lack the ability to edit my own posts? Kinda weird.
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#26 Heroes of Hockeytown

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:20 PM

At ease Cap'n Giant Text, all is forgiven.

You're right, though, the edit is on the fritz.

EDIT: But not for long.

Edited by Heroes of Hockeytown, 19 March 2007 - 05:24 PM.

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#27 Lou_Siffer

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:21 PM

Sorry, but arguing that Yzerman is the greatest of all time is pretty crazy. You'd have to be a homer of mega proportions to try and make a case for that. #5 behind Howe, Lemieux, Gretzky, and Orr makes alot more sense to me!
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:41 PM

QUOTE(gowingsgo @ March 19, 2007 - 03:43PM) View Post

Steve Yzerman is the greatest Captain to ever lace em up. You dont need to argue on Steve's behalf. Anyone who knows anything about hockey respects the hell out of Steve Yzerman

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE(Lou_Siffer @ March 19, 2007 - 06:51PM) View Post

Sorry, but arguing that Yzerman is the greatest of all time is pretty crazy. You'd have to be a homer of mega proportions to try and make a case for that. #5 behind Howe, Lemieux, Gretzky, and Orr makes alot more sense to me!



I know Lemuix was great and all , btu Stevie ahd more points , goals , assists and cups.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 05:54 PM

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I know Lemuix was great and all , btu Stevie ahd more points , goals , assists and cups.

Steve's got 32 points on Mario in 600 extra games. There's a lot that goes into that, of course, but the bottom line is that no one had as much raw talent as Mario, Steve wasn't even close. There's plenty to like about both guys but in terms of offensive talent Mario was the best of the best.
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#31 Lou_Siffer

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Detroit # 1 Fan @ March 19, 2007 - 05:51PM) View Post

I know Lemuix was great and all , btu Stevie ahd more points , goals , assists and cups.


He played 600 more games! Mario came pretty close to averaging 2 pts a game over his career...thats SICK. Lemieux was better than Gretzky imo.

And im certainly not knocking Yzerman before anyone throws a hissy fit...theres nothing wrong with saying he's 5th best all time!
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 06:06 PM

QUOTE(Lou_Siffer @ March 20, 2007 - 01:01AM) View Post

He played 600 more games! Mario came pretty close to averaging 2 pts a game over his career...thats SICK. Lemieux was better than Gretzky imo.

And im certainly not knocking Yzerman before anyone throws a hissy fit...theres nothing wrong with saying he's 5th best all time!

Agreed, Mario has to be the best when it comes to pure offensive talent. Stevie has a lot of other things to his credit, many of them statistically immeasurable.
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE(Wingsfan4life19 @ March 19, 2007 - 05:07PM) View Post

"Then why don't sports broadcasters say he's the best" They wouldn't be alowd, if they caused this much controversy, they would be fired.

OK, so why didn't Don Cherry say it? Saying outrageous stuff is in his job description. tongue.gif
And while Yzerman is certainly one of the greatest ever players and a sure first balllot Hall of Famer, I wouldn't call him the greatest ever. At least not when Mr. Gordon Howe might hear you.


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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:13 PM

He may not be the greatest, but you assemble the top 5 skaters and 1 goalie, I'll bet they name #19 the Captain.

And Darren Pang was right. There is one thing you cannot defend against, and that one thing is courage.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:15 PM

QUOTE(Never Forget Mac #25 @ March 19, 2007 - 04:45PM) View Post

QFT


What does that mean? Quit F'ing talking?
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#36 Elshupacabra

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:16 PM

QUOTE(EZBAKETHAGANGSTA @ March 19, 2007 - 07:15PM) View Post

What does that mean? Quit F'ing talking?


i'm guessing Quite F'ing True? I don't know though

#37 FinWing

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:19 PM

QUOTE(EZBAKETHAGANGSTA @ March 20, 2007 - 02:15AM) View Post

What does that mean? Quit F'ing talking?

Quoted for truth, I believe.
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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE(Lou_Siffer @ March 19, 2007 - 07:21PM) View Post

Sorry, but arguing that Yzerman is the greatest of all time is pretty crazy. You'd have to be a homer of mega proportions to try and make a case for that. #5 behind Howe, Lemieux, Gretzky, and Orr makes alot more sense to me!


Heresy! I'd put Howe and Lemieux in front of Gretzky. Lemieux was a beast.

QUOTE(Hiei @ March 19, 2007 - 09:13PM) View Post

He may not be the greatest, but you assemble the top 5 skaters and 1 goalie, I'll bet they name #19 the Captain.

And Darren Pang was right. There is one thing you cannot defend against, and that one thing is courage.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE(Lou_Siffer @ March 19, 2007 - 07:31PM) View Post

He played 600 more games! Mario came pretty close to averaging 2 pts a game over his career...thats SICK. Lemieux was better than Gretzky imo.

And im certainly not knocking Yzerman before anyone throws a hissy fit...theres nothing wrong with saying he's 5th best all time!



I forgot about the games factor. I think Lemieux is betetr then Gretzky too.

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Posted 19 March 2007 - 08:10 PM

QUOTE(FinWing @ March 19, 2007 - 06:19PM) View Post

Quoted for truth, I believe.

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