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#1 Hockey13Playa

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:05 PM

Alright, well first off sorry to the bitchy people who get angry when a thread is started that was already mentioned in the GDT or somewhere else before.

Anyways, I started this topic when Bertuzzi colided with a St. Louis Blues player.

In my opinion I don't think he really even desevered a minor penalty yet a double minor.
It looked completely accidental and he was not intentionally trying to hurt or go after the blues player ( who I can't remember the name of right now)

Does everyone think that this was a fair call, or was it complete B.S. , like a lot of calls the refs have been making against Detroit these past few games. sly.gif

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:12 PM

that was such a horrible call.
it looked like the blues player tried to rail Bert but at the last moment he saw him and kinda stiffened up.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:14 PM

It wasnt a horrible call, it was just an unfortunate one. There was no intent on Bert's part, and if anything Backes fell into the stick, but it still has to be called because Bert had his stick up a little.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE(Hockeytown Red Wings @ March 24, 2007 - 10:14PM) View Post

It wasnt a horrible call, it was just an unfortunate one. There was no intent on Bert's part, and if anything Backes fell into the stick, but it still has to be called because Bert had his stick up a little.


His stick wasn't up high enough to where it could be called high sticking, he was just skating with both his hands about wasit high with his stick going off to the side, sorry if that descrption sucked, but you should know what I mean. Its not like he saw him falling and put his stick up to cut him or anything.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:18 PM

it was clearly unintentional. Heck, Bertuzzi didn't even see the guy until the last second. But that doesn't change the outcome of it.

sometimes you fart and a little bit of poop comes out, just because you didn't mean to do it doesn't mean that you don't have to clean it up.
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:19 PM

bertuzzi understood the call. during the interview he said it was unfortunet that his stick came up after he was trying to defend him self. but the refs pretty much had to call it. he was bleeding, accidental or not it was still a highstick.

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 24, 2007 - 09:18PM) View Post

sometimes you fart and a little bit of poop comes out, just because you didn't mean to do it doesn't mean that you don't have to clean it up.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Hockey13Playa @ March 24, 2007 - 08:17PM) View Post

His stick wasn't up high enough to where it could be called high sticking, he was just skating with both his hands about wasit high with his stick going off to the side, sorry if that descrption sucked, but you should know what I mean. Its not like he saw him falling and put his stick up to cut him or anything.


his stick was above his shoulders. they were both falling, and yeah, it was just unfortunate that the blade caught his face. once it happens though, there's no way for the ref to not call it.
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE(Hockey13Playa @ March 24, 2007 - 10:17PM) View Post

His stick wasn't up high enough to where it could be called high sticking, he was just skating with both his hands about wasit high with his stick going off to the side, sorry if that descrption sucked, but you should know what I mean. Its not like he saw him falling and put his stick up to cut him or anything.


I know but it still had to be called.

My problem with the penalty wasnt that it was called, but that it was made 2 minutes afterwards when they saw he had blood. Which is a bigger injustice in my opinion.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:20 PM

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 24, 2007 - 10:18PM) View Post

it was clearly unintentional. Heck, Bertuzzi didn't even see the guy until the last second. But that doesn't change the outcome of it.

sometimes you fart and a little bit of poop comes out, just because you didn't mean to do it doesn't mean that you don't have to clean it up.


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haha thats funny, I guess that is a good way to look it.
Nice analogy--- sp?

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:20 PM

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 24, 2007 - 10:18PM) View Post

it was clearly unintentional. Heck, Bertuzzi didn't even see the guy until the last second. But that doesn't change the outcome of it.

sometimes you fart and a little bit of poop comes out, just because you didn't mean to do it doesn't mean that you don't have to clean it up.


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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:22 PM

QUOTE(Hockeytown Red Wings @ March 24, 2007 - 08:19PM) View Post

My problem with the penalty wasnt that it was called, but that it was made 2 minutes afterwards when they saw he had blood. Which is a bigger injustice in my opinion.


I think he was down on the ice for too long for that little bit of contact, I did suspect that maybe he bit his lip to make it bleed, because it looked to me that the blade got him on his cheek. maybe it's just me though
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:27 PM

If you absolutely had to call a penalty in this case, just give him the two minutes then not the extra two becasue he was bleeding.

1. it was totally un-intentional
2. since that was the case and he didnt purposely attempt to high stick him, he ovbiously didn't try and cut him.

so just give him the two minutes, they should have acceptions on whole "if hes bleeding" rule, which I personally think that is the dumbest thing ever, if hes bleeding throw an extra 2 minutes up on the board.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 24, 2007 - 09:22PM) View Post

I think he was down on the ice for too long for that little bit of contact, I did suspect that maybe he bit his lip to make it bleed, because it looked to me that the blade got him on his cheek. maybe it's just me though

so far everything you have said on this topic has made sence to me.

QUOTE(Hockey13Playa @ March 24, 2007 - 09:27PM) View Post

If you absolutely had to call a penalty in this case, just give him the two minutes then not the extra two becasue he was bleeding.

1. it was totally un-intentional
2. since that was the case and he didnt purposely attempt to high stick him, he ovbiously didn't try and cut him.

so just give him the two minutes, they should have acceptions on whole "if hes bleeding" rule, which I personally think that is the dumbest thing ever, if hes bleeding throw an extra 2 minutes up on the board.

if you hook somebody in the league, you don't mean to take a penelty. to refs it doesn't matter if it was accident or not.
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:33 PM

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 24, 2007 - 07:18PM) View Post

it was clearly unintentional. Heck, Bertuzzi didn't even see the guy until the last second. But that doesn't change the outcome of it.

sometimes you fart and a little bit of poop comes out, just because you didn't mean to do it doesn't mean that you don't have to clean it up.

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QUOTE(Hockeytown Red Wings @ March 24, 2007 - 07:19PM) View Post

I know but it still had to be called.

My problem with the penalty wasnt that it was called, but that it was made 2 minutes afterwards when they saw he had blood. Which is a bigger injustice in my opinion.

you're expected to have control of your stick at all times, which is the first 2 minutes.

And I'm pretty sure if you draw blood, it's an automatic double minor.


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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:33 PM

I don't go to alot of games, but being there today, was a great day to witness how pissed the crowd can get first hand. It was bulls***, refs were BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:34 PM

Fair/unfair, intentional/unintentional, a player has to be in control of his stick at all times.

You hit somebody intentionally/unintentionally in the face and the ref sees it, it's a 2-minute minor.

If the ref sees that the guy is cut, it's going to be a 4-minute double minor.

That's the rule in all instances, simple as that.

Bertuzzi accidentally clipping the guy today isn't exempt from the rule.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE(BeeRYCE @ March 24, 2007 - 09:33PM) View Post

I don't go to alot of games, but being there today, was a great day to witness how pissed the crowd can get first hand. It was bulls***, refs were BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

how mad was the crowd when they called off clearys shootout goal?
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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:43 PM

QUOTE(SouthernWingsFan @ March 24, 2007 - 10:34PM) View Post

Fair/unfair, intentional/unintentional, a player has to be in control of his stick at all times.

You hit somebody intentionally/unintentionally in the face and the ref sees it, it's a 2-minute minor.

If the ref sees that the guy is cut, it's going to be a 4-minute double minor.

That's the rule in all instances, simple as that.

Bertuzzi accidentally clipping the guy today isn't exempt from the rule.


Well in that case then, I think those are some lame rules tongue.gif
I mean my yelling and screaming won't change anything but because he is cut you get an automatic double minor is just ridiculous. I guess I can see that you should have control of your stick at all times, but then you have the instances were some goof ball will radomly come along and trip or something and you get called for that as well. I guess its a no win situation either way you look at it.

Just added fuel to the fire today, since we have been getting quite the amount of bad calls latley in our games.

QUOTE(wingsfan979802 @ March 24, 2007 - 10:37PM) View Post

how mad was the crowd when they called off clearys shootout goal?



Yes I second that question, how the crowd react on that one?

I was out of my seat here at home when the ref called it no goal.

You could tell Babcock was furious, all the players left the bench and he just stood there with this grin on his face.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE(haroldsnepsts @ March 24, 2007 - 10:33PM) View Post

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you're expected to have control of your stick at all times, which is the first 2 minutes.

And I'm pretty sure if you draw blood, it's an automatic double minor.


Ok Harold, not sure why you're quoting me there...I agree.

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 09:54 PM

QUOTE(Hockey13Playa @ March 24, 2007 - 09:43PM) View Post

Yes I second that question, how the crowd react on that one?

I was out of my seat here at home when the ref called it no goal.

You could tell Babcock was furious, all the players left the bench and he just stood there with this grin on his face.

i knew that it wasn't going to be a goal. not enough data. even though they were wrong.
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