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#41 ProudestMonkey

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:10 PM

QUOTE(YoungGuns1340 @ March 25, 2007 - 06:43PM) View Post

Thats too bad. I was born in South Carolina and I still manage to make sure my grammar is correct when Im insulting someone for their stupidity.
Yup. Probably the reason why everyone hated him and loved that he was traded.


I guess people from South Carolina don't use apostrophes. If you're going to be a true grammar nazi, you might want to make sure your sentences are perfect as well. biggrin.gif

I agree with whoever said that Tootoo would be a fan favorite if he played for the Wings. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brings an energy to the team like no other player can.


#42 YoungGuns1340

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE(ProudestMonkey @ March 25, 2007 - 08:10PM) View Post

I guess people from South Carolina don't use apostrophes. If you're going to be a true grammar nazi, you might want to make sure your sentences are perfect as well. biggrin.gif

I agree with whoever said that Tootoo would be a fan favorite if he played for the Wings. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brings an energy to the team like no other player can.


Nope. I dont use apostrophes. Never bother with them on a forum. Too much effort.

I dont bother to be a grammar nazi. I only bother to be a person who enjoys pointing out the irony of sounding like a moron when calling someone a moron.
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:21 PM

QUOTE(BlueMonk @ March 25, 2007 - 06:42PM) View Post

Wow, Tootoo is a -12. Nobody on the Preds is especially close. 32 players have played for the Predators this season, according to Yahoo, and only 5 of them are minus for the season.

Yeah, and he's -9 career; that number would be even worse if he weren't sitting in the box every other minute. The only role that he will ever play in the NHL is the one that he is currently in- an agitator. As for Legionnaire's "suspension list", the guy has only played 165 games- so he's essentially played two full seasons (amount of games), and has been suspended once..great start. Hopefully the instigator rule goes away- if it does, Tootoo will follow.

#44 Never_Retire_Steve

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:22 PM

I don't understand why everyone says that Tootoo has no talent what so ever. The people who say that should try and dig up some stats and game film from some Brandon Wheat Kings days and team Canada World Juniors as well.


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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:23 PM

Tootoo probably would be a fan favorite here. And we'd all be homers not realizing that what he does is usually dirty.

But thats just me. Im old fashion and prefer to see the guys square up the way they used to.

QUOTE(Never_Retire_Steve @ March 25, 2007 - 08:22PM) View Post

I don't understand why everyone says that Tootoo has no talent what so ever. The people who say that should try and dig up some stats and game film from some Brandon Wheat Kings days and team Canada World Juniors as well.



And then they should dig up some of Maltbys junior records as a 50 goal scorer! What a fun time that would be!


That being said, tootoo has more talent than a lot of enforcers/agitators.

Edited by YoungGuns1340, 25 March 2007 - 07:24 PM.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:23 PM

QUOTE(Never_Retire_Steve @ March 25, 2007 - 08:22PM) View Post

I don't understand why everyone says that Tootoo has no talent what so ever. The people who say that should try and dig up some stats and game film from some Brandon Wheat Kings days and team Canada World Juniors as well.

em, you could dig up some great JUNIOR footage from most NHLers.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:28 PM

Tootoo should be banned. He does not know how to play the game. He probably thinks that there is no puck involved in the sport. Or at least judging by the way he plays, he does not think so.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE(Never_Retire_Steve @ March 25, 2007 - 07:22PM) View Post

I don't understand why everyone says that Tootoo has no talent what so ever. The people who say that should try and dig up some stats and game film from some Brandon Wheat Kings days and team Canada World Juniors as well.

There are plenty of people who have steller junior numbers but suck ass or don't make the NHL.

Take for example: Brad Twordik. Had pretty similar numbers in Juniors to Tootoo. Played his final year on the Wheat Kings the first year Tootoo did. Scored 69 points that year. Was a regular 70 point scorer for about 3 or 4 years in a row.

Where is he now? Not even playing anymore. Case and Point: Juse because you have good junior numbers doesn't mean you're going to be good in the NHL. There are so many more examples, too many for me to list.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 25, 2007 - 05:58PM) View Post

did you read what I said?

LAST SEASON, he played TWO WEEKS on a scoring line. notice that he posted 10 points in only 34 games. At that rate this season he'd have 20-25 points.

Read further and I said he would be good on a THIRD LINE. 20-25 points. thats along the same lines as Hudler, Draper, Franzen, Williams. Are you going to rip these guys for their awesome stats?

as for his stats this season... again, READ. I think I said he's playing a 4th line agitator role. Not exactly the position to be scoring from.

You sit here and talk about how i've been "owned" and how I must not know anything about hockey, and then make jokes to say that he's not a valuable asset to the Preds. How funny...


you keep trying to get back up off the mat, which is just stupid--not admirable.

so tootoo has worse stats this year than last? so he's bumped back down to a 4th liner? thanks for disproving yourself: tootoo has not improved every year in the league--not scoring, not in the goon department (as his current 5-game suspension shows). he has regressed and become a cartoon character, a dimwit stuck in his celebrity status of village idiot.

pow. down you go again. now, please: stay down.

QUOTE(Kp-Wings @ March 25, 2007 - 07:30PM) View Post

There are plenty of people who have steller junior numbers but suck ass or don't make the NHL.

Take for example: Brad Twordik. Had pretty similar numbers in Juniors to Tootoo. Played his final year on the Wheat Kings the first year Tootoo did. Scored 69 points that year. Was a regular 70 point scorer for about 3 or 4 years in a row.

Where is he now? Not even playing anymore. Case and Point: Juse because you have good junior numbers doesn't mean you're going to be good in the NHL. There are so many more examples, too many for me to list.


maltby was a 50-goal scorer in the minors, i believe.

but i have no doubt tootoo can end up having a great career in the minors and/or beer leagues.

QUOTE(MotownIce @ March 25, 2007 - 07:21PM) View Post

Yeah, and he's -9 career; that number would be even worse if he weren't sitting in the box every other minute. The only role that he will ever play in the NHL is the one that he is currently in- an agitator. As for Legionnaire's "suspension list", the guy has only played 165 games- so he's essentially played two full seasons (amount of games), and has been suspended once..great start. Hopefully the instigator rule goes away- if it does, Tootoo will follow.


that's the truly amazing thing that a guy who spends as much time in the box as he does STILL has a crappy +/- number biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Legionnaire11 @ March 25, 2007 - 06:40PM) View Post

I do believe that he bit Wright. But it was never proven.


beyond lame. even for you.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:52 PM

Well isn't this lovely. I enjoy bashing Tootoo and Nashville as much as next man but this has gotten way out of hand. Well, with the exception of Tootoo who I would not want on my team no matter what. And to the people who disagree, well, I don't really understand that. The guy is a goon and an enforcerer. He's not exactly famous for doing anything else. But enforcerers I can accept, heck I can even accept cheap shots. The Wings-Avs rivalry was filled with them, on both sides. But Tootoo's style of charging Modano and then turning around and smashing somebody in the face while obviously not realizing the puck was nowhere near, well that's just retarded.

On the topic of Nashville bashing, well stereotypes are ugly and I'm always surprised by how condescending some people can be. Nashville can be a rival and I don't mind poking some fun at their fans but this is blowing way out of proportion. Let them build their franchise in peace, it's not exactly their fault they haven't had a great deal of exposure to hockey before and you can't expect everyone to become experts overnight.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 03:07 AM

QUOTE(superstarsingh @ March 25, 2007 - 07:28PM) View Post

Tootoo should be banned. He does not know how to play the game. He probably thinks that there is no puck involved in the sport. Or at least judging by the way he plays, he does not think so.


Tootoo should be banned? Seriously? I'd love to hear your thoughts on your recently acquired Todd Bertuzzi. A man will no longer lace up his skates because of what Todd Bertuzzi did. And TOOTOO should be banned? Get bent.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 05:02 AM

As homerish as some of the Nashville posters are in here with their team, I'll take their word to an extent about them being a bit more familar with Tootoo's game. As much as we might dislike sports media sometimes, what they say on a player has a big influence on our perceptions as well, whether they are right/wrong, fair/unfair.

Tootoo's hustle and hard-skating style? I absolutely dig it. In my perception though, there's a fine line between being aggressive (in a controlled manner) and just reckless. Tootoo seems to have crossed the line a few times unfortunately.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 05:10 AM

QUOTE(SouthernWingsFan @ March 26, 2007 - 05:02AM) View Post

Tootoo's hustle and hard-skating style? I absolutely dig it. In my perception though, there's a fine line between being aggressive (in a controlled manner) and just reckless. Tootoo seems to have crossed the line a few times unfortunately.


I have to agree, I love the energy with which tootoo plays, I'd love for us to have that in Detroit, but when you start deliberately leaving your feet trying to take out guys who no longer have the puck, then I have a problem with that. I also have a problem with sucker punches. If you're going to punch a guy, challenge him and do it evenly. Don't just drop the gloves and start pounding him when he's not ready to go. That's how guys get injured.
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Posted 26 March 2007 - 05:17 AM

QUOTE(SweWings @ March 26, 2007 - 01:52AM) View Post

Well isn't this lovely. I enjoy bashing Tootoo and Nashville as much as next man but this has gotten way out of hand.
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On the topic of Nashville bashing, well stereotypes are ugly and I'm always surprised by how condescending some people can be. Nashville can be a rival and I don't mind poking some fun at their fans but this is blowing way out of proportion. Let them build their franchise in peace, it's not exactly their fault they haven't had a great deal of exposure to hockey before and you can't expect everyone to become experts overnight.


dito to that. some people are unable to follow a civilized discussion. and these are often Wings fans who goon valuable people coming from other "directions". not to mention, some posters have even a habit of gooning other Wings fans who don't jump common bandwaggon (like Todd-Bertuzzi-loveboat or kill-Tootoo-bashdwaggon).

have your opinion, but let the others have theirs. the fact that some player is on another team which doesn't play Wings-like figure-skating-zero-toughness style of hockey does not make him crap. and the fact that someone wears Winged Wheel does not necessarily translate into him being a saint or have skills of Howe-Orr-Lemieux combined smile.gif

as for Tootoo - he's very effective in current NHL, but whether there's enough skill to keep him in the league once instigator is gone (which will hopefully come some day) - I'd not bet my money on this. I'm not saying he can't play hockey, just questioning the ability to reach the minimal level to play in the NHL.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 06:21 AM

QUOTE(YoungGuns1340 @ March 25, 2007 - 08:09PM) View Post

Tootoos pretty lucky he doesnt play in a conference with Janssen, Orr, Belak, Fedoruk, Peters, Hollweg, Eager, McGrattan, and Brashear.

His only defense would be his typical offense of either jumping the guy or punching him before the other guy even has his gloves off.

clap.gif Exactly! He fights people like Wright, Bell, Bootland but if he were to go toe-to-toe with a real heavyweight, he`d get destroyed.
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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:56 AM

QUOTE(ProudestMonkey @ March 26, 2007 - 04:07AM) View Post

Tootoo should be banned? Seriously? I'd love to hear your thoughts on your recently acquired Todd Bertuzzi. A man will no longer lace up his skates because of what Todd Bertuzzi did. And TOOTOO should be banned? Get bent.



The getting banned comments are a bit silly at this stage I think.

However, as far as getting bent, do you mean like the way you bend your sis over at night? Todd Bertuzzi? Jeez man, talk about going to the well time and time again.

Todd Bertuzzi had one incident. He wasn't known as a cheap shot artist before that shift. He played a number of years in the league prior to that shift and wasn't considered a goon or a cheap shot artist.

Tootoo on the other hand has been in the league only a couple of years and already the entire hockey world is discussing him and viewing him in a negative light.

Bertuzzi lost it on one shift and it had horrible consequences. That was one shift, one incident. Lots of NHLers have had moments where they've just lost their cool. s***, Tony Granato clubbed a guy over the head with a stick during his playing days. My point is that had Moore's neck not been broken nobody would've cared. The fact is his neck was broken though so Bert was made an example of. That still doesn't change the fact that he was not a cheap shot artist or known dirty player in the league prior to that shift that night.

Toots on the other hand has already claimed the title of league's dirtiest player. You don't see the HNIC guys or the TSN guys or anybody else in the hockey universe discussing how dirty a player Todd Bertuzzi is do you? Nope, they're all talking about Tootoo in that regard.

Get a clue already. And if you can nab 2 clues, give one to Legionairre. He's lost it on this one. I agree Tootoo can maybe have some offensive chops were he utilized differently, but that doesn't alter the fact that he's the league's most despicable player as of right now.
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Posted 26 March 2007 - 08:11 AM

It won't even take a fighter or a big hitter to end his career. A cheap shot that results in a real injury will be enough for that no talent waste of space. In Bertuzzi's situation, he at least can score and plays an OFFENSIVE role on the teams he plays for.

Also, a coach could end his career. One ended Norton's. All it takes is a SLIGHT drop in his non-production and he is in the minors for the rest of his career. That seems more likely to happen than a complete demolishing from Boogie or Laraque.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 11:12 AM

Tootoo pushes the envelope too much. He'll get his, but until then you can see what the NHL thinks of his play, 5 game suspension.. nuff said. Some are sad he won't be in the lineup for Thursday's game?? Personally, I'd rather he not injure a Red Wing a week before the playoffs start.
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Posted 26 March 2007 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE(Covenant @ March 26, 2007 - 12:12PM) View Post

Tootoo pushes the envelope too much. He'll get his, but until then you can see what the NHL thinks of his play, 5 game suspension.. nuff said. Some are sad he won't be in the lineup for Thursday's game?? Personally, I'd rather he not injure a Red Wing a week before the playoffs start.


I'm with you. I wouldn't be surprised if he was running Pavel and Bert jsut to take them out of the playoffs under orders from Edward G. Robinson (aka Trotz). I just wish that Stars game nextr Saturday was nationally televised. mad.gif I would love to see Ott or Barnaby pick him apart. Hell, even Lindros can still throw his weight around.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 11:25 AM

QUOTE(GordieSid&Ted @ March 26, 2007 - 07:56AM) View Post

The getting banned comments are a bit silly at this stage I think.

However, as far as getting bent, do you mean like the way you bend your sis over at night? Todd Bertuzzi? Jeez man, talk about going to the well time and time again.

Todd Bertuzzi had one incident. He wasn't known as a cheap shot artist before that shift. He played a number of years in the league prior to that shift and wasn't considered a goon or a cheap shot artist.

Tootoo on the other hand has been in the league only a couple of years and already the entire hockey world is discussing him and viewing him in a negative light.

Bertuzzi lost it on one shift and it had horrible consequences. That was one shift, one incident. Lots of NHLers have had moments where they've just lost their cool. s***, Tony Granato clubbed a guy over the head with a stick during his playing days. My point is that had Moore's neck not been broken nobody would've cared. The fact is his neck was broken though so Bert was made an example of. That still doesn't change the fact that he was not a cheap shot artist or known dirty player in the league prior to that shift that night.

Toots on the other hand has already claimed the title of league's dirtiest player. You don't see the HNIC guys or the TSN guys or anybody else in the hockey universe discussing how dirty a player Todd Bertuzzi is do you? Nope, they're all talking about Tootoo in that regard.

Get a clue already. And if you can nab 2 clues, give one to Legionairre. He's lost it on this one. I agree Tootoo can maybe have some offensive chops were he utilized differently, but that doesn't alter the fact that he's the league's most despicable player as of right now.


First, if you want to have an intelligent discussion, lose thef****** stereotypes. Do you know how easy it would be to call you an impoverished crackhead? Because that's the stereotype associated with Detroit. Learn how to not be ignorant ******. Thanks.

Next, your reasoning is that Bertuzzi isn't the same because he only had one incident? Yea? Well in that one incident he broke a man'sf****** neck while he was face down on the ice. One is all it takes, my friend. And until Tootoo does something even remotely close to what Bertuzzi did, kindly STFU.

Once again, I hate it when Tootoo leaves his feet and I don't get excited when I see a cheap shot made by him or by anyone else for that matter. But anyone who says that Tootoo doesn't belong in the NHL or should be banned or is a no talent ass clown is just sadly mistaken. Tootoo is a valuable asset and significant liability to the Predators at the same time.

Tootoo does a great job at drawing penalties by getting under people's skin. And apparently he has done a good job with most of you as well.

Edited by ProudestMonkey, 26 March 2007 - 11:28 AM.






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