skeletonofsociety 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 did we manage to win a game all year at Calgary? We just played them on 3/20 and lost 2-1 @ Cal. I hope we can be more physical against them but I'd rather play Colorado. We are 2-2 on the season against Calgary with two wins at home and two losses on the road. We are definitely going to have to step up our play when we travel to Calgary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 We are 2-2 on the season against Calgary with two wins at home and two losses on the road. We are definitely going to have to step up our play when we travel to Calgary. But look on the flip side: that also means Calgary's got to step up their play when they come to Detroit and not give up seven goals like they did in February. And it weighs more heavily on their shoulders, cause of the whole home ice advantage thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 We are 2-2 on the season against Calgary with two wins at home and two losses on the road. We are definitely going to have to step up our play when we travel to Calgary. Yes, but Calgary are worse on the road than Detroit. So they have the same dilemma, except more so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsWingsWings 3 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 I don't want to flip through the fifty-something messages up here to see if any has posted this already. So. Sorry if someone has. What will happen if We don't get the one point, and Nashville ties us? Who will get first seed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Scooter 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 I don't want to flip through the fifty-something messages up here to see if any has posted this already. So. Sorry if someone has. What will happen if We don't get the one point, and Nashville ties us? Who will get first seed? Whoever has the most wins, that's the NHL's 1st tie breaker. NOW I'M GOING TO VENT.... NHL's ist tie breaker is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID !!! Just yet another in a seemingly endless list of why the NHL can't compete with the big three. Every other sport, EVERY OTHER one, uses head to head as the tie breaker, if that doesn't apply it goes to best division record, then conference record, THEN most wins. What is the point of the RIDICULOUS amount of division/conference games if they are not even a priority in TIE BREAKING????? It's retarded!!! (okay I'm getting off my podium now...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Whoever has the most wins, that's the NHL's 1st tie breaker. NOW I'M GOING TO VENT.... NHL's ist tie breaker is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID !!! Just yet another in a seemingly endless list of why the NHL can't compete with the big three. Every other sport, EVERY OTHER one, uses head to head as the tie breaker, if that doesn't apply it goes to best division record, then conference record, THEN most wins. What is the point of the RIDICULOUS amount of division/conference games if they are not even a priority in TIE BREAKING????? It's retarded!!! (okay I'm getting off my podium now...) The other three majors sport do not have ties, nor do they award points for OTL. Say the Wings and Preds each won four games. But the Wings won two in OT and two in regulation, while the Preds won 3 times in regulation. That would give the Preds ten points in eight games to Detroit's nine. Now assume the overall record for Detroit was 50-22-10 for 110 points, while Nashville posted 49-21-12 for 110 points. Nashville has fewer wins, and gains more points from OTLs. Under the current format, Detroit is the division champion. Under your suggestion, Nashville wins the division. Personally, in this scenario, I think Detroit is the better team, so why do we need to change it so that they don't win the division? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Scooter 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) The other three majors sport do not have ties, nor do they award points for OTL. Say the Wings and Preds each won four games. But the Wings won two in OT and two in regulation, while the Preds won 3 times in regulation. That would give the Preds ten points in eight games to Detroit's nine. Now assume the overall record for Detroit was 50-22-10 for 110 points, while Nashville posted 49-21-12 for 110 points. Nashville has fewer wins, and gains more points from OTLs. Under the current format, Detroit is the division champion. Under your suggestion, Nashville wins the division. Personally, in this scenario, I think Detroit is the better team, so why do we need to change it so that they don't win the division? Agreed, but that would stress the need to win in regulation that much more ( as I am not a fan of the shootout at all! ), and it would add more urgency (for lack of a better word) to these so-called in-divisional rivalries! Actually I just reread your post, so your saying both teams have 4 wins in their 8 games correct? Okay so that would not necessarily give the Preds the title by having more OT losses, if the NHL used a format like say the NFL, the NEXT tie breaker would be divisonal record, and then conference record... actual record not points meaning an ot loss counts as a loss.... Edited April 4, 2007 by Winged Scooter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Never_Retire_Steve 35 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 I got my ways.... but most likely they will play on the 11th. The way I feel about Detroit finsihing 1st again and possibly another presidents trophy is awesome!!!! It shows our superior dominance of the NHL for the past 10+ years. It is an amazing accomplishment in my book. Winning President's trophies is cool but I am disappointed by the fact that in the past 13 years we have dominated the league and honestly should have more than 3 cups Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Agreed, but that would stress the need to win in regulation that much more ( as I am not a fan of the shootout at all! ), and it would add more urgency (for lack of a better word) to these so-called in-divisional rivalries! Actually I just reread your post, so your saying both teams have 4 wins in their 8 games correct? Okay so that would not necessarily give the Preds the title by having more OT losses, if the NHL used a format like say the NFL, the NEXT tie breaker would be divisonal record, and then conference record... actual record not points meaning an ot loss counts as a loss.... If you take away the point for an OTL, in this scenario the Wings win the division on the strength of having more points. The only way to make the NHL system match the NFL, NBA, and MLB is to do away with the point for losing, and make it a win-loss system. At which point, wins CAN'T be the tiebreaker, because if two teams are tied they, BY DEFINITION, have the same number of wins. The NHL is the only league where wins CAN be a tiebreaker, because they are the only league where wins are not the sole deciding factor in the standings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsWingsWings 3 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Winning President's trophies is cool but I am disappointed by the fact that in the past 13 years we have dominated the league and honestly should have more than 3 cups I agree!! President's Trophies are great and I love it when the Wings win them, but I much prefer Lord Stanley's Cup! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icteria virens 11 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Winning President's trophies is cool but I am disappointed by the fact that in the past 13 years we have dominated the league and honestly should have more than 3 cups not to mention that during the last 3 cup winning seasons we only won the Pres trophy once so it's not vital to our success. The most important thing is to be playing well going into the PO's. But look on the flip side: that also means Calgary's got to step up their play when they come to Detroit and not give up seven goals like they did in February. And it weighs more heavily on their shoulders, cause of the whole home ice advantage thing. but all they really have to do is win one at the Joe and there goes home ice. They could give up 7 or 14 goals or win by 1 it doesn't matter. I don't believe it weighs more on their shoulders as home ice hasn't mattered much in the NHL over the last 10 years. If anything they'd have the psychological advantage knowing the history. All it would take is for them to steal one game and there goes the President's Trophy advantage. it's one thing to look at the reg. season and then another to look at a 7 game series, the two are different. We're "grittier" than in the past and that's a good thing but I have my reservations about Cal-gar-y. I'd much rather play Colorado. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Covenant 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Wings by all means should be able to get ONE point in two games from the hawks. they don't even have to win a game. and my oh my, Preds...good luck with Stars/Sharks/Wild door #5. Let's just hope the Wings don't look to footage of the Tigers trying to clinch their division vs. the s***ty Royals last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 I agree with you guys, I would much rather have Lord Stanley than a President Trophy anyday. But how many teams can say they have won the Presiden'ts trophy? and if so how many times have they won it? I am just amazed at hwo Detroit never has a down season, they always make the playoffs, and they are always one of the elite teams in the NHL but never show it come playoff time. I am itching for a cup like crazy, it has been 5 years...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged Scooter 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 If you take away the point for an OTL, in this scenario the Wings win the division on the strength of having more points. The only way to make the NHL system match the NFL, NBA, and MLB is to do away with the point for losing, and make it a win-loss system. At which point, wins CAN'T be the tiebreaker, because if two teams are tied they, BY DEFINITION, have the same number of wins. The NHL is the only league where wins CAN be a tiebreaker, because they are the only league where wins are not the sole deciding factor in the standings. This is true, in going by the point system, how much more confusing will it be if they go to a three point system (like was discussed at the last GM's meetings...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inultus 12 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Yeah, it has been long enough since we raised the Cup and I honestly think that we have a team very capable of winning it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Yeah, it has been long enough since we raised the Cup and I honestly think that we have a team very capable of winning it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 Yeah, it has been long enough since we raised the Cup and I honestly think that we and about 6 other teams have a team very capable of winning it. More like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwfan007 18 Report post Posted April 4, 2007 I'd much rather fly under the radar in the playoffs, less pressure It might be just me, but this year I think we are flying under the radar. Very quietly we have risen to the top. I think most of the hype this year is in the East. From the beginning of the season we were already written out of the top contention and the division, but quietly we are a very good team who has a real legitimate shot at winning the cup. No one put the wings as having any chance to win anything, but here we are, as always. Plus I think this year is different because of Calder/Bertuzzi instead of the Cory Cross of last year. The East has taken all the publicity because of the Sabres, Crosby/Malkin/Stall, and Carolina being the defending champs. That all might be just my quirky observation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tunbo Batman Report post Posted April 4, 2007 we TRY to be the undergdogs and fly under the radar, but we can't, we're just too good bring on calgary, or anyone. youre not gaonna win cups if you need to cherry pick your opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
