arin 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) I know we always have these, but we've had a few players extended recently and thought it would be interesting to try it again. What's the latest on how much the cap's rising? I'll just use 46mill for this.. Detroit Players Signed for 07-08: Datsyuk - 6.7 Zetterberg - 2.7 Draper - 2.128 Holmstrom - 2.25 Sammy - 1.2 Franzen - 0.900 Filppula - .850 Cleary - .675 Kopecky - (?) Lidstrom - 7.6 Lilja - 1 Kronwall - 1.5 Lebda - 0.550 **Quincey - .535 **Ericsson - .475 Osgood - .800 **Howard - .850 Total Signed: 28.853 Possible Lines: Homer - Z - Datsyuk Hartnell(3) - Filppula - Bertuzzi(4.5) Hudler(1) - Cleary - Sammy Franzen - Draper - Kopecky(.8) Lidstrom - Kronwall Hamrlik(3.5) - Sarich(2) Lebda - Chelios(.85) Lilja Hasek(1) Osgood Total : ~45.503 Cap Room: ~.497 What do you guys think? I overpayed on most of the FAs to compensate, so I'm sure if this roster happened there'd be more room under the cap. What do you guys think Hamrlik, Sarich, Hartnell & Bert would ask for? I think the addition of Hartnell, Hamrlik & Sarich would obviously give this team some strength and grit. Who would you like to see here and your estimates on contract sizes? Edited April 6, 2007 by arin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Well the cap is going up to 49 million so that would free up 4 million $$$ I hope we re-sign bertuzzi and calder Edited April 6, 2007 by KrazyGangsta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan979802 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Lilja - 1 that is way to much for lilja Cleary - .675 is that how much cleary is getting now or is it what he will sign. it seems like he is worth a little more. Edited April 6, 2007 by wingsfan979802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Wow - it's going up that much? Well, add Calder for maybe 2mill (what you guys think?) and put Kopecky as 13th or something. Also, the only way I want Bert back is if: 1. He dominates playoffs 2. There arent any other alternatives to take his spot I really dont want to lose a 2nd rounder just to resign him. He's been awesome and everything this team needs, but if we can get someone else to fill that niche we have to take it. EDIT: That's what Cleary and Lilja are actually locked up for next season Edited April 6, 2007 by arin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfan979802 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2007 EDIT: That's what Cleary and Lilja are actually locked up for next season why the heck did we sign him for 0ne million? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsdiehard13 33 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 why the heck did we sign him for 0ne million? Holland <3's Lillypads Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) How about this: Locked up for 07/08: Player / Salary (per nhlnumbers.com) Nicklas Lidstrom: 7.6 Pavel Datsyuk: 6.7 Henrik Zetterberg: 2.7 Kris Draper: 2.128 Tomas Holmstrom : 2.250 Mikael Samuelsson: 1.2 Niklas Kronwall: (3mil cap hit) Andreas Lilja: 1 Chris Osgood: 0.850 Valtteri Filppula: 0.850 Dan Cleary: 0.675 Brett Lebda: (0.683 cap hit) Tomas Kopecky: ??? (est. 0.650) TOTAL: 30.286 / 49.000 CAP SPACE REMAINING 18.714 Wings Notable UFA's / 06-07 salary Robert Lang: 3.8 Kirk Maltby: 1.368 Todd Bertuzzi: 5.269 Kyle Calder: 2.95 Mathieu Schneider: 3.3 Dany Markov: 2.5 Chris Chelios: 0.850 Dominik Hasek: (.0750 + 1.1 performance bonus) Hudler is a RFA this summer and there are a few OTHER two-way contracts to think about, but this is about it. Now that we have the numbers in front of us, its obvious that we cannot afford to re-sign everyone at their previous salary. Who will take less? Who should be replaced? If Holland can get Bert to accept a contract in the 4-4.5 (or less) range, Calder in the 1.5-2.2 range, Schneider in the 2.5 range and re-sign Hasek and Markov to a 1 year extension for the same salary, I'd welcome them all back. Chelios will sign for whatever is left. Lang can go and, unfortunately, so can Maltby. Edited April 7, 2007 by Ozzie30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Current wings signed for next year, and their cap number: Datsyuk 6.7m Zetterberg 2.65m Holmstrom 2.25m Draper 2.128m Samuelsson 1.2m Franzen .942m Filppula .733m Cleary .663m Kopecky .45m Lidstrom 7.6m Kronwall 3.0m Lilja 1.0m Lebda .65m Osgood .85m That totals up to 30.816m, with four forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie left to sign. The cap is expected to rise to about 47.5 million, which leaves 16.684m to fill out the roster. Roster RFAs expected to resign, and current cap number: Jiri Hudler .525m Hudler will likely be resigned for about .75m, leaving 15.934 to sign three forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie. Notable UFAs, and current cap number: Todd Bertuzzi 5.269m Lang 3.8m Calder 2.95m Maltby 1.406m Schneider 3.3m Markov 2.5m Chelios 1.15m Hasek 1.85m These guys total up to 22.225m. Hasek will likely retire, and Lang and Maltby will likely be let go as UFAs. We'll use Howard as the backup goalie as he is likely to make more than Liv. His .733 reduces the available amount to 15.201m for three up front and three on D. Calder should sign for about 2m. That would reduce the remaining cap to 13.201m Ellis or Bootland should sign as 13th forward for 500k, which means 12.701m. Schneider should sign for 3.7m or less. 9.001m remaining. Markov likely will sign for 2.75m or less. 6.251m remaining. Chelios could be had for 1m or less total cap hit. 5.251 remaining. Bertuzzi will likely be resigned for no more than 4.5m, which means the Wings shoudl have a minimum of 750k free cap space, with the only roster changes being Lang, Maltby, and Hasek out and Ellis/Bootland and Howard in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Trade Sammy and Lilja for a bag of pucks, and I'm ready for next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Current wings signed for next year, and their cap number: Datsyuk 6.7m Zetterberg 2.65m Holmstrom 2.25m Draper 2.128m Samuelsson 1.2m Franzen .942m Filppula .733m Cleary .663m Kopecky .45m Lidstrom 7.6m Kronwall 3.0m Lilja 1.0m Lebda .65m Osgood .85m That totals up to 30.816m, with four forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie left to sign. The cap is expected to rise to about 47.5 million, which leaves 16.684m to fill out the roster. Roster RFAs expected to resign, and current cap number: Jiri Hudler .525m Hudler will likely be resigned for about .75m, leaving 15.934 to sign three forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie. Notable UFAs, and current cap number: Todd Bertuzzi 5.269m Lang 3.8m Calder 2.95m Maltby 1.406m Schneider 3.3m Markov 2.5m Chelios 1.15m Hasek 1.85m These guys total up to 22.225m. Hasek will likely retire, and Lang and Maltby will likely be let go as UFAs. We'll use Howard as the backup goalie as he is likely to make more than Liv. His .733 reduces the available amount to 15.201m for three up front and three on D. Calder should sign for about 2m. That would reduce the remaining cap to 13.201m Ellis or Bootland should sign as 13th forward for 500k, which means 12.701m. Schneider should sign for 3.7m or less. 9.001m remaining. Markov likely will sign for 2.75m or less. 6.251m remaining. Chelios could be had for 1m or less total cap hit. 5.251 remaining. Bertuzzi will likely be resigned for no more than 4.5m, which means the Wings shoudl have a minimum of 750k free cap space, with the only roster changes being Lang, Maltby, and Hasek out and Ellis/Bootland and Howard in. Nice summary. We're not in too bad of shape judging from this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted April 7, 2007 We'd be in even better shape if two contracts weren't taking up fourteen million. Not that they aren't worth it, but man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Agreed. We better keep developing prospects, because it's only going to get worse when Zetterberg's contract expires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetterbergfuturemvp 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) Current wings signed for next year, and their cap number: Datsyuk 6.7m Zetterberg 2.65m Holmstrom 2.25m Draper 2.128m Samuelsson 1.2m Franzen .942m Filppula .733m Cleary .663m Kopecky .45m Lidstrom 7.6m Kronwall 3.0m Lilja 1.0m Lebda .65m Osgood .85m That totals up to 30.816m, with four forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie left to sign. The cap is expected to rise to about 47.5 million, which leaves 16.684m to fill out the roster. Roster RFAs expected to resign, and current cap number: Jiri Hudler .525m Hudler will likely be resigned for about .75m, leaving 15.934 to sign three forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie. Notable UFAs, and current cap number: Todd Bertuzzi 5.269m Lang 3.8m Calder 2.95m Maltby 1.406m Schneider 3.3m Markov 2.5m Chelios 1.15m Hasek 1.85m These guys total up to 22.225m. Hasek will likely retire, and Lang and Maltby will likely be let go as UFAs. We'll use Howard as the backup goalie as he is likely to make more than Liv. His .733 reduces the available amount to 15.201m for three up front and three on D. Calder should sign for about 2m. That would reduce the remaining cap to 13.201m Ellis or Bootland should sign as 13th forward for 500k, which means 12.701m. Schneider should sign for 3.7m or less. 9.001m remaining. Markov likely will sign for 2.75m or less. 6.251m remaining. Chelios could be had for 1m or less total cap hit. 5.251 remaining. Bertuzzi will likely be resigned for no more than 4.5m, which means the Wings shoudl have a minimum of 750k free cap space, with the only roster changes being Lang, Maltby, and Hasek out and Ellis/Bootland and Howard in. i like bertuzzi but so far he hasnt shown anything to make me think he deserves to get 4.5 per season , he hasn't played in almost 2 seasons and any team would be stupid to give him that much money , id sign him to a 2 yr 6 million deal , take it or leave it Edited April 7, 2007 by zetterbergfuturemvp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) i like bertuzzi but so far he hasnt shown anything to make me think he deserves to get 4.5 per season , he hasn't played in almost 2 seasons and any team would be stupid to give him that much money , id sign him to a 2 yr 6 million deal , take it or leave it The playoffs should tell us everything we need to know. Personally, I've been very impressed. The guy hits like a freight train and has the hands of a much smaller skilled player. I think he's the perfect fit for this team, since he can play a puck possession style ,yet still make us a bgger, tougher team to play against. There are not many players around that fit that bill. Edit: Grammar Edited April 7, 2007 by Airborn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Agreed. We better keep developing prospects, because it's only going to get worse when Zetterberg's contract expires. Holland didnt do a bad job of planning really - Lidstroms contract and Zetterbergs contract expire at the same time. Lidstrom will be 38 at that time. Hell, Lidstrom may even RETIRE after this contract is up. At any rate, assuming Lidstrom re-signs at age 38, Im sure hed re-sign for max 5M. Thats a 2.6M transfer that can be made bumping up Hanks salary to 5.25. Throw in another 1M, a likely increased cap, and Detroit will be just fine. i like bertuzzi but so far he hasnt shown anything to make me think he deserves to get 4.5 per season , he hasn't played in almost 2 seasons and any team would be stupid to give him that much money , id sign him to a 2 yr 6 million deal , take it or leave it When Detroit needs a player like Bertuzzi as much as they do, its not "take it or leave it". A two year, 8M contract is reasonable, but if Detroit needs to go to 4.5, so be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Holland didnt do a bad job of planning really - Lidstroms contract and Zetterbergs contract expire at the same time. Lidstrom will be 38 at that time. Hell, Lidstrom may even RETIRE after this contract is up. At any rate, assuming Lidstrom re-signs at age 38, Im sure hed re-sign for max 5M. Thats a 2.6M transfer that can be made bumping up Hanks salary to 5.25. Throw in another 1M, a likely increased cap, and Detroit will be just fine. I would think Zetterberg would have to make at least the salary Dats is getting, and probably more (inflation, better player). So, I'm guessing we'll need to throw in an extra 2 to 2.5 million. Still a valid point; it's nice planning, and should make dealing with Zetterberg's contract easier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Holland didnt do a bad job of planning really - Lidstroms contract and Zetterbergs contract expire at the same time. Lidstrom will be 38 at that time. Hell, Lidstrom may even RETIRE after this contract is up. At any rate, assuming Lidstrom re-signs at age 38, Im sure hed re-sign for max 5M. Thats a 2.6M transfer that can be made bumping up Hanks salary to 5.25. Throw in another 1M, a likely increased cap, and Detroit will be just fine. When Detroit needs a player like Bertuzzi as much as they do, its not "take it or leave it". A two year, 8M contract is reasonable, but if Detroit needs to go to 4.5, so be it. What makes you so sure Lidstrom will resign for five million? He's still at the top of his game, and I don't see him slowing down soon with the type of game he plays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Agreed. We better keep developing prospects, because it's only going to get worse when Zetterberg's contract expires. When Zetterberg's contract expires, Lidstrom may most likely be retiring or close to it (in 2 years). Zetterberg's salary will replace Lidstrom's, hopefully evening out the level to where it will be next season. I also don't believe Zetterberg will demand 6.7 when he gets a new contract, but will be in the area around 5.5 to about 6 million (just my opinion though). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetterbergfuturemvp 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 zetterberg 2.65 datsyuk 7.6 holmstrom 2.25 calder 2.25 filppulla 710k bertuzzi 3.25 franzen 940 k hudler 900k grigorenko 850 k cleary 660k draper 2.1 kopecky 450 k 450k 13th forward = 25.060 lidstrom 7.6 markov 2.75 kronwall 3 kindl 850 k ( 6'2 200 pds , he needs to be brought up now to learn from chelios and lidstrom ) lebda 650 k chelios 850 k quincey 510 k = 16. 210 hasek 1 ozzie 850 k total cap = 43.020 leaves us cap space to get someone else during the season if need be i know its easier said than done but i say we try and trade lilja and samuelsson on draft day for late picks if we can sign someone like a tkachuk to a reasonable price we can always move down kopecky to the 13th forward and move calder down to the 3rd line and franzen to the 4th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 What makes you so sure Lidstrom will resign for five million? He's still at the top of his game, and I don't see him slowing down soon with the type of game he plays. Hes still at the top of his game now - at age 37 - but its clear that his peak play has already passed. Thats been evident this year despite him still being the #1 Dman in the league. At age 38, after having been one of the top paid players for several years running, Lidstrom WILL take a paycut and a fairly significant one at that for a few reasons. 1) He wont be playing at the level he used to 2) It will likely reflect poorly on his character should he demand another 6-7M dollar season when other key players need to be re-signed....especially after Steve Yzerman took a paycut when he was in this position. 3) Lidstrom will not want to play for another team after playing his entire career in Detroit. Therefore, Detroit will have the upperhand in negotiations as the offers of other teams (should there be any) will merely be afterthoughts to Lidstrom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetterbergfuturemvp 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 The playoffs should tell us everything we need to know. Personally, I've been very impressed. The guy hits like a freight train and has the hands of a much smaller skilled player. I think he's the perfect fit for this team, since he can play a puck possession style ,yet still make us a bgger, tougher team to play against. There are not many players around that fit that bill. Edit: Grammar doesnt mean hes worth 5 million dollars per season, thats just my opinion , he's gotta show more offense for that , his 2 goals so far didnt really look like a goal scorer's goal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Hm, good points. Can't say I disagree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 I would think Zetterberg would have to make at least the salary Dats is getting, and probably more (inflation, better player). So, I'm guessing we'll need to throw in an extra 2 to 2.5 million. Still a valid point; it's nice planning, and should make dealing with Zetterberg's contract easier. I dont think Zetterberg will go for significantly more than Datsyuk...if at all more than Datsyuk. An extra 1M after the salary transfer would put Zetterberg at 6.25M. I doubt Zetterberg is going to ask for 7.25-7.75M per season. At most, I see him asking for the same as Datsyuk, which would be an extra ~1.5M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetterbergfuturemvp 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Holland didnt do a bad job of planning really - Lidstroms contract and Zetterbergs contract expire at the same time. Lidstrom will be 38 at that time. Hell, Lidstrom may even RETIRE after this contract is up. At any rate, assuming Lidstrom re-signs at age 38, Im sure hed re-sign for max 5M. Thats a 2.6M transfer that can be made bumping up Hanks salary to 5.25. Throw in another 1M, a likely increased cap, and Detroit will be just fine. When Detroit needs a player like Bertuzzi as much as they do, its not "take it or leave it". A two year, 8M contract is reasonable, but if Detroit needs to go to 4.5, so be it. i still think we might get into trouble especially if guys like hudler and filppulla devlop into the players we hope they will , if hudler gets 30 goals ( and its possible , he got 15 this year with barely any ice time ) then he's gonna get around 3 million easily, fillppulla should see that as well during zetterberg and datsyuk's big contracts .........lebda in a few yrs time will be getting a nice increase as will franzen ........its not only that i think datsyuk got too much money , he got to many years on his deal as well and yes i know detroit needs a player like bertuzzi but doesnt mean we gotta over pay a guy whos barely played in 2 yrs and hasnt shown us anything close to the player he use to be , if your gonna pay him 4.5 per id rather get ryan smyth, hes a proven player and hasnt had any serious injuries .......again thats just my take on it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 doesnt mean hes worth 5 million dollars per season, thats just my opinion , he's gotta show more offense for that , his 2 goals so far didnt really look like a goal scorer's goal "Worth" is such a relative term. I'd agree the offense hasn't come yet, but I think that has more to do with his timing. He's basically been out the entire year, and he's playing his way into shape now. That's why I think the playoffs will be so telling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites