eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 No one knows what the cap will be or what the contracts will end up like... Settle down, we're just putting some ideas out. What do you guys think about getting Sarich and/or Hartnell? Sarich would be a replacement for Markov, and should cost about the same as the 2.75 I slated for danny inmy earlier post. Any more, and it's not worth it. Hartnell I would love, but that would mean no Bertuzzi. I anticipate the Wings will make every attempt to keep Todd before July 1st rather than lose him and end up with no replacement. If the Wings do not decide to sign Bert, I would love to see Hartnell for under 3m. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 (edited) Why does Hartnell = no Bert? The more power forwards the better. Hartnell hasnt really shown that "much" and could probably be had for $3mill. If we replace Markov/Schneider with some prospects/Sarich($2mill) we should be able to get Bert and Hartnell under the cap, I'm sure. We really don't have much of a 2nd line and Hartnell would create a bonafide 2nd line with Hartnell, Bert and whoever on center. Edited April 8, 2007 by arin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 9, 2007 (edited) Why does Hartnell = no Bert? The more power forwards the better. Hartnell hasnt really shown that "much" and could probably be had for $3mill. If we replace Markov/Schneider with some prospects/Sarich($2mill) we should be able to get Bert and Hartnell under the cap, I'm sure. We really don't have much of a 2nd line and Hartnell would create a bonafide 2nd line with Hartnell, Bert and whoever on center. Hartnell makes 1.75m now. I expect his cost to rise to a minimum of 2.5m, more likely near 3m. Of the players the Wings will be resigning (or replacing for similar money) under the scenario I have laid out, only Schneider and Bertuzzi make more than Hartnell likely will get, and my scenario gets within a million of the expected cap. Bert and Hartnell means no Schneider, and nobody in Schneider's place. It means that our top six would be Lidstrom, Markov, Kronwall, Lebda, Lilja, and Chelios. Without Schneider on the PP next year, or anyone to replace him, it means we see Sammy on the point full-time. So, for the good of the team, it's Hartnell or Bert. Not both. Edited April 9, 2007 by eva unit zero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2007 Well, it all depends on how far the cap rises. With this lineup: Homer - Z - Datsyuk Hartnell(3) - Filppula - Bertuzzi(4.5) Hudler(1) - Cleary - Sammy Franzen - Draper - Kopecky(.8) Lidstrom - Kronwall Schneider(3.5) - Sarich(2) Lebda - Chelios(.85) Lilja Hasek(1) Osgood We're at around ~$45mill. I think I got a few cap hits wrong by a bit, but it would be around there. And I overpayed Hudler and Kopecky by a bit for good measure, too. Might have to give Sarich & Hasek a bit more, but it would still probably be in the $47mill range at most with all things considered. We could always get rid of Lilja and bring up someone to save a bit of $$ from his $1mill contract, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 9, 2007 Well, it all depends on how far the cap rises. With this lineup: Homer - Z - Datsyuk Hartnell(3) - Filppula - Bertuzzi(4.5) Hudler(1) - Cleary - Sammy Franzen - Draper - Kopecky(.8) Lidstrom - Kronwall Schneider(3.5) - Sarich(2) Lebda - Chelios(.85) Lilja Hasek(1) Osgood We're at around ~$45mill. I think I got a few cap hits wrong by a bit, but it would be around there. And I overpayed Hudler and Kopecky by a bit for good measure, too. Might have to give Sarich & Hasek a bit more, but it would still probably be in the $47mill range at most with all things considered. We could always get rid of Lilja and bring up someone to save a bit of $$ from his $1mill contract, too. 1. Sarich will cost more than Markov. 2. Your roster doesn't include Calder. Hartnell is unlikely to be an upgrade over the way Calder has played for the Wings. That said, if we could get Sarich for 2, that frees up 750k from my scenario. That combined with the small amount of wiggle room left does open up enough space for Hartnell. Markov and Calder seems a lot more likely though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparty13 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2007 what about Kindl, do you think he'll be ready next year, I heard he almost made it this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 9, 2007 what about Kindl, do you think he'll be ready next year, I heard he almost made it this year. Kronwall is the closest we have to an internal replacement for Schneider. So you think Nik is ready? If he's not ready to replace Schneider, nobody we have is. Schneider is already underpaid, meaning an external replacement either costs more or is a downgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2007 1. Why would Sarich cost more? I dont know much about him, but his stats arent different than last years and he isnt getting any younger. 2. I did forget about Calder, but if we couldnt fit him in w/Hartnell I'd take Hartnell in a heartbeat. Hartnell's only getting better and brings more to the table than Calder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 9, 2007 Ok, I fixed my calculations and with this roster we'd be at $48.136: Homer - Z - Datsyuk Hartnell(3) - Filppula - Bertuzzi(4.5) Hudler(1) - Cleary - Sammy Franzen - Draper - Calder(2) Kopecky Lidstrom - Kronwall Schneider(3.5) - Sarich(2) Lebda - Chelios(.85) Lilja Hasek(1) Osgood We could also send down/buy out Lilja and bring up someone to save some $. Lilja hasnt been playing as bad as some say, but we could get someone cheaper and younger who can benefit from the minutes better. How do buyouts/waivers work with cap hits? Is there a cap hit if we waive him before the season? Bring Kindl/someone up to take Lilja's spot who could get some good minutes. Since, between Kronwall, Chelios & Schneider we wont always have a 100% D. If we were to get Sarich he would also be WAY more durable than Markov and arguably better. I think most of the contracts I assigned to players are possible. Bert hasnt played all season barely. Hartnell hasnt shown THAT much in the NHL and $2mill raise for him would probably be sufficient. Cheli can get his .850 contract again. The only ones I dont know about are Schneider & Hasek... Would Schneider ask for more than 3.5? When was his 3,3 contract signed? It seems pretty dang low. Also, is Hasek gonna ask for a big pay day after this year's performance, even though he's almost as old as Cheli?? (sorry for double post) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mk13 0 Report post Posted April 12, 2007 Agreed. We better keep developing prospects, because it's only going to get worse when Zetterberg's contract expires. Zetts will be the next yzerman, he'll take 3-4 mill just to stay here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ttbrunke 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 Current: Datsyuk 6.7m Zetterberg 2.65m Holmstrom 2.25m Draper 2.128m Samuelsson 1.2m Franzen 0.942m Filppula 0.733m Cleary 0.663m Kopecky .45m Lidstrom 7.6m Kronwall 3.0m Lilja 1.0m Lebda 0.65m Osgood 0.85m Resign: Jiri Hudler: 0.7m Calder 2.5m Schneider 3m Markov 2.5m Chelios 1m That leaves our D untouched I think we are pretty cohesive there and strong if Kronwall is healthy next season (big IF). We can use Kopecky next season that leaves us needing a goalie and a Forward. I think Bertuzzi should go, he's not worth 5m. We can sign a mid level forward like Zubrus or Zednik that has experience and can get 20-20 or maybe even 30-30. This will leave us a little room to sign a Goalie (I don't know about you but I don't feel good about starting next season with Osgood, Howard, or Hasek 1 year older). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 Ok, I fixed my calculations and with this roster we'd be at $48.136: Homer - Z - Datsyuk Hartnell(3) - Filppula - Bertuzzi(4.5) Hudler(1) - Cleary - Sammy Franzen - Draper - Calder(2) Kopecky Lidstrom - Kronwall Schneider(3.5) - Sarich(2) Lebda - Chelios(.85) Lilja Hasek(1) Osgood Sarich makes 1.9m right now as an RFA. He'll get at least 2.7m as a UFA. Disregarding that, reconcile the fact that the cap is expected to be at 47.5 million, and you need to drop 636k to be there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 Sarich makes 1.9m right now as an RFA. He'll get at least 2.7m as a UFA. Disregarding that, reconcile the fact that the cap is expected to be at 47.5 million, and you need to drop 636k to be there. Homer - Z - Datsyuk Hartnell(3) - Filppula - Bertuzzi(4.5) Hudler(1) - Cleary - Sammy Franzen - Draper - Calder(2) Kopecky Lidstrom - Kronwall Schneider(3.5) - Sarich(2) Lebda - Chelios(.85) Lilja Hasek(1) Osgood Done Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 13, 2007 If it's really going to be 47.5 then you just lose Lilja for Meech/Quincey/Ericsson. But, where have you seen anything about them "expecting" it to be 47.5 anyways? I've saw so many different numbers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
