YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) doesnt mean hes worth 5 million dollars per season, thats just my opinion , he's gotta show more offense for that , his 2 goals so far didnt really look like a goal scorer's goal But Bertuzzi's got a lot of excuses on hand: Nearly two seasons off, coming off extensive back surgery, and joining a completely new team. The recovery period for all that combined is going to get him a lot of leeway in his contract negotiations and so far, he has brought all the intangibles that Detroit expected out of him: Grit, hitting, crashing the net, creating space for his linemates, and simply his imposing presence on the ice that makes opponents think twice about hits. Hes already made examples out of Cajanek, Tollefsen, and Svitov in, what? 6 games? Thats more damage to the opposition than any of our regulars has done all year. Thats what Detroit is looking for and they know they desperately need it - even moreso when having it after going so long without it. Edited April 7, 2007 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetterbergfuturemvp 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Hes still at the top of his game now - at age 37 - but its clear that his peak play has already passed. Thats been evident this year despite him still being the #1 Dman in the league. At age 38, after having been one of the top paid players for several years running, Lidstrom WILL take a paycut and a fairly significant one at that for a few reasons. 1) He wont be playing at the level he used to 2) It will likely reflect poorly on his character should he demand another 6-7M dollar season when other key players need to be re-signed....especially after Steve Yzerman took a paycut when he was in this position. 3) Lidstrom will not want to play for another team after playing his entire career in Detroit. Therefore, Detroit will have the upperhand in negotiations as the offers of other teams (should there be any) will merely be afterthoughts to Lidstrom. he's been saying hes going back to europe for years , and lets be honest theres only one steve yzerman , im sure nick is a good guy but theres no guarantee he's gonna take a big paycut especially if he keeps being in the top 3 in norris nominations, or even better , keep winning .......he can easily say ......you know what i won 3 cups had some good years ,made lots of money if im gonna have to take a 2-3 million cut i might as well just retire and go back to my hometown in sweden But Bertuzzi's got a lot of excuses on hand: Nearly two seasons off, coming off extensive back surgery, and joining a completely new team. The recovery period for all that combined is going to get him a lot of leeway in his contract negotiations and so far, he has brought all the intangibles that Detroit expected out of him: Grit, hitting, crashing the net, creating space for his linemates, and simply his imposing presence on the ice that makes opponents think twice about hits. Hes already made examples out of Cajanek, Tollefsen, and Svitov in, what? 6 games? Thats more damage to the opposition than any of our regulars has done all year. Thats what Detroit is looking for and they know they desperately need it - even moreso when having it after going so long without it. i understand he's got alot of excuses on hand but those excuses are also the reasons why we should be careful and not over pay him , what happens if he has another back injury and is out for 6 months ?? then we look like morons , especially if its a long deal and alot of money , only way id give him close to 5 million is if it was a 1 yr deal and he's not stupid he knows hes got injury problems so hes gonna ask for at least a 2-3 yr deal "Worth" is such a relative term. I'd agree the offense hasn't come yet, but I think that has more to do with his timing. He's basically been out the entire year, and he's playing his way into shape now. That's why I think the playoffs will be so telling. yes it will , dont get me wrong i hope bertuzzi hits guys like crazy and can score huge goals , i just think we need to relax, wait and see if he's worth taking a chance on handing out 5 million per Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 i understand he's got alot of excuses on hand but those excuses are also the reasons why we should be careful and not over pay him , what happens if he has another back injury and is out for 6 months ?? then we look like morons , especially if its a long deal and alot of money , only way id give him close to 5 million is if it was a 1 yr deal and he's not stupid he knows hes got injury problems so hes gonna ask for at least a 2-3 yr deal Realistically, Bertuzzi would never take that deal. He's got no reason to offer us a hometown discount, and he's surely going to get offered better deals than taht on the open market. I think Smyth hitting the market in the same year helps, but there are only so many true power forwards in the league, and they're not gonna come cheap (or without risk in some cases). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zetterbergfuturemvp 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Realistically, Bertuzzi would never take that deal. He's got no reason to offer us a hometown discount, and he's surely going to get offered better deals than taht on the open market. I think Smyth hitting the market in the same year helps, but there are only so many true power forwards in the league, and they're not gonna come cheap (or without risk in some cases). sure teams will be interested in bert , but if he has a lackluster playoffs then know one would offer him 5+ per season , hes too much of a risk at that price , teams have to think now with the cap , if it was 5 yrs ago know one would care and lock him up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mila 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 I guess Holland will likely overpaid Betr in order to avoid loosing him and searching somebody else if he's enough room under the salary cap. Holland has shown already couple of times in the past that he's no problems to incline on taking pretty spicy contracts, especially noticeable was it in the previous era with no salary cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 When i look at threads like this about the salaries...I wish i was a hockey player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 All I can say is Zetterberg is the man! :banana: At that salary he is the biggest steal in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetter is Better 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Holland <3's Lillypads It wouldn't surprise me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 No one even wants to sign any new people? You're really content with this roster? I'd take Sarich/Hamrlik over Markov/Schneider any day. We also should probably get a bonafide 2nd liner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zburg40 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 No one even wants to sign any new people? You're really content with this roster? I'd take Sarich/Hamrlik over Markov/Schneider any day. We also should probably get a bonafide 2nd liner. We know Kenny will do the best for the team Detroit Red Wings NHL Age '06-07 '07-08 '08-09 '09-10 '10-11 '11-12 '12-13 Nicklas Lidstrom, D 37 7,600 7,600 # $ Todd Bertuzzi, RW 32 5,269 5,269 5,269 5,269 # $ Pavel Datsyuk, C 28 ____ 6,700 6,700 6,700 6,700 6,700 6,700 Robert Lang, C 36 3,800 ___NS__ # $ Mathieu Schneider, D 38 3,300 3,300 # $ Kyle Calder, LW 28 2,950 2,500 Henrik Zetterberg, C 26 2,600 2,700 2,900 # $ Danny Markov, D 30 2,500 2,700 Kris Draper, C 36 2,128 2,128 Tomas Holmstrom, RW 34 1,501 2,500 2,500 2,500 Jiri Fischer, D 26 1,444 NS # $ Kirk Maltby, LW 34 1,368 1,000 Mikael Samuelsson, RW 30 1,200 1,200 1,200 TDP Niklas Kronwall, D 26 1,140 3,000 3,000 3,000 3,000 3,000 3000 Andreas Lilja, D 31 1,000 1,000 TDP Chris Osgood, G 34 900 800 # $ Chris Chelios, D 45 850 750 Johan Franzen, LW 27 775 900 1,150 # $ Dominik Hasek, G 42 750 750 Valtteri Filppula, C 23 710 850 Daniel Cleary, C 28 650 675 Brett Lebda, D 25 550 550 650 850 $Jiri Hudler, RW 23 525 600 750 750 Josh Langfeld, RW 29 525 NS Matt Ellis, LW 25 450 NS $ Tomas Kopecky, LW 25 450 450 Matt Hussey, C 28 450 NS Minor League Age '06-07 '07-08 '08-09 '09-10 '10-11 '11-12 '12-13 Jimmy Howard, G 22 710 850 Evan McGrath, C 21 600 650 650 Stefan Liv, G 26 575 Jonathan Ericsson, D 22 515 475 Kyle Quincey, D 21 510 535 Dan Smith, D 30 500 Darryl Bootland, RW 25 475 Brad Norton, D 32 450 Derek Meech, D 22 450 Logan Koopmans, G 22 450 Eric Himelfarb, C 24 450 Brendan Brooks, C 28 450 NS= Means not to resign TDP= mean Trade to dump payroll # = Should be Resigned $ = I added their Payroll and the years total 45,722 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetter is Better 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 You're really content with this roster? I'd take Sarich/Hamrlik over Markov/Schneider any day. Really? You`d want to get rid of Schneider for Hamrlik? I wouldn`t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zburg40 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Trade Samuelsson and Lilly pad for SAMSONOV Put him With bert Lineand That will put Us up to 49247 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Trade Samuelsson and Lilly pad for SAMSONOV Put him With bert Lineand That will put Us up to 49247 Unless Ken Holland were to propose that deal, it won't happen. As much as we all like to rag on both of those guys, the managment obviously feels differently about them than most of us. If they felt the same way we all do, both Samulesson and Lilja would have been traded for pucks or future considerations. Take your pick. Besides, Montreal will most likely buy out Samsonov. Coming off the season he had, we actually would be able to pick him up at a much cheaper cost, if Holland wanted too.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Current wings signed for next year, and their cap number: Datsyuk 6.7m Zetterberg 2.65m Holmstrom 2.25m Draper 2.128m Samuelsson 1.2m Franzen .942m Filppula .733m Cleary .663m Kopecky .45m Lidstrom 7.6m Kronwall 3.0m Lilja 1.0m Lebda .65m Osgood .85m That totals up to 30.816m, with four forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie left to sign. The cap is expected to rise to about 47.5 million, which leaves 16.684m to fill out the roster. Roster RFAs expected to resign, and current cap number: Jiri Hudler .525m Hudler will likely be resigned for about .75m, leaving 15.934 to sign three forwards, three defensemen, and a goalie. Notable UFAs, and current cap number: Todd Bertuzzi 5.269m Lang 3.8m Calder 2.95m Maltby 1.406m Schneider 3.3m Markov 2.5m Chelios 1.15m Hasek 1.85m These guys total up to 22.225m. Hasek will likely retire, and Lang and Maltby will likely be let go as UFAs. We'll use Howard as the backup goalie as he is likely to make more than Liv. His .733 reduces the available amount to 15.201m for three up front and three on D. Calder should sign for about 2m. That would reduce the remaining cap to 13.201m Ellis or Bootland should sign as 13th forward for 500k, which means 12.701m. Schneider should sign for 3.7m or less. 9.001m remaining. Markov likely will sign for 2.75m or less. 6.251m remaining. Chelios could be had for 1m or less total cap hit. 5.251 remaining. Bertuzzi will likely be resigned for no more than 4.5m, which means the Wings shoudl have a minimum of 750k free cap space, with the only roster changes being Lang, Maltby, and Hasek out and Ellis/Bootland and Howard in. ill take this option Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Maybe not Hamrlik/Schneider, but Markov really doesnt bring much to the table and Sarich/Hamrlik would be much better choices than Markov. Hamrlik's also getting 25 minutes a game and could be a good partner for Lidstrom. It all depends on Schneider's contract though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetter is Better 0 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) Trade Samuelsson and Lilly pad for SAMSONOV Put him With bert Lineand That will put Us up to 49247 That would be a great trade. Montreal doesn't want him and they would take anyone for him. But, is he a UFA at the end of this season??? but Markov really doesnt bring much to the table Agreed. Edited April 7, 2007 by Zetter is Better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 Agreed. We better keep developing prospects, because it's only going to get worse when Zetterberg's contract expires. sometimes i wonder if you can do basic math. these 2 contracts are for players we need to have on the team, end of story. There is no way zet will be let go when his contract comes into negotiation and we have about 2 years of changes plus increasing cap ceiling to use to our benefit. Honestly stop smashing the panic button Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted April 7, 2007 i like bertuzzi but so far he hasnt shown anything to make me think he deserves to get 4.5 per season , he hasn't played in almost 2 seasons and any team would be stupid to give him that much money , id sign him to a 2 yr 6 million deal , take it or leave it 4.5 was the maximum figure I had for Bertuzzi. That's what 'no more than' means. It doesn't mean BERTUZZI ROXXORZ, LET'S BUST OUR CAP ON HIM ZOMG WTFBBQ!1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 Yeah, you all remember we lose a 2nd rounder if we resign Bert, too... Right? We better be in the market for a power forward(s) before resigning Bert. Nothing against Bert, but there are plenty of power forwards who are similiar/better that could be available next year without giving up a 2nd rounder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 Has anyone thought to leave cap room for any potential trades or call ups we may need or want to do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viperar 16 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 Has anyone thought to leave cap room for any potential trades or call ups we may need or want to do? no im sure management completely forgot this and didnt think about it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 No one knows what the cap will be or what the contracts will end up like... Settle down, we're just putting some ideas out. What do you guys think about getting Sarich and/or Hartnell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 sometimes i wonder if you can do basic math. these 2 contracts are for players we need to have on the team, end of story. There is no way zet will be let go when his contract comes into negotiation and we have about 2 years of changes plus increasing cap ceiling to use to our benefit. Honestly stop smashing the panic button Sometimes I wonder if you have basic reading comprehension skills. Who's hitting the panic button? I certainly don't disagree with signing Datsuk and Zetterberg. I was making the point that, as Zetterberg and Datsuk's salaries take up more of our cap room, we will need more good young players to fill out the roster. There is no guarantee the cap is going to keep going up, and even if it does players are going to demand more money. Realistically, Zetterberg should sign for more than Pavel (I think people are kidding themselves who don't believe this). The bottom line is, we are going to need to cut costs somewhere. Hence my point of having good young players developed to take over for less important veterans that we can no longer afford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 no im sure management completely forgot this and didnt think about it.... i was referring to the people who are suggesting we spent nearly all of the potential $49 millilon cap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BringHomeTheCup! 0 Report post Posted April 8, 2007 no im sure management completely forgot this and didnt think about it.... i was referring to the people who are suggesting we spent nearly all of the potential $49 millilon cap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites