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Why are the Duck fans / press so cocky?

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I wouldn't worry too much about getting called closed-minded if you're going to lump people in with "dickf***s" and idiots simply for rooting for the same team that the real idiots do. Let's try to separate the trolls from the ones who are making an honest effort. The trolls have been banned anyway.

It's hard to tell the difference anyways, you know. ;)

I already admit, my comments were perhaps a little too troll like. But it was no worse than what some of the other trolls were doing.

By the way, good to here they've been banned. :)

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Just don't put too much stock in the San Jose series...they blew it and Detroit looked flat much of that series. Wings will have to step it up to have a chance.

Aye, and there's the rub - and hopefully, as a matter of consequence, an overly bloated sense of confidence for Ducks and fans alike - not just the sports pundits who favor Anaheim.

When two truly good teams with different styles of play come up agains one another, it can give the illusion that neither team is very good, just as an unstoppable force meets an immovable object, and everything slows to a crawl. In the last series, each team took turns making the other look flat; the Sharks owned the Wings on starts, and the Wings owned the Sharks on far more finishes, by and large. But were either of them really, truly flat at any time?

I'm not too impressed with what you were not too impressed with in that series, to be honest, because I think you, along with many others, read it all wrong. Those were two amazing teams that played each other, and traded energy as a battle of playing styles back and forth meant that each took turns at making the other look incompetent -- or, as you put it, flat.

As for how the Ducks will fare in this series:

gwagwagwagwagwag... (means "good luck" in Duck speak, or so I'm told)

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Thank you.

See duckette... this is what I am talking about. Roberto Who? seems to be realistic about the state of sports fannery in So Cal. It's not an insult to you... it's just the way it is.

Look, I am an A's fan... and we take heat all the time becuase, although they are constatnly in contention for the AL West, they can barely sell tickets to the game. (you OC fans know what I mean)

I don't deny that's the case. I can see the facts. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.

So Cal does not have legions of great sports fans. That being said, it makes those true fans, like yourself and Roberto Who?, that much more interesting. To be a hardcore sports fan in So Cal takes serious dedication.

Just make sure to keep in mind that not all SoCal fans are like that. Trust me, I know. Being a Ducks fan is one of the hardest thing to do living between San Diego and LA. Not fun.

And no all Ducks fans are 'dickf***s' as you have so kindly put. I didn't even know that was a word. I have not been disrespectful. And even if we are down 3-0, I will still partake in this board due to the classiness shown by Wings fans here. I'm not here to troll. I enjoy learning things about other teams and this is a great place to do so :)

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Duckette, Roberto who, and one or two more

You guys seem to be the exception when it comes to Duck fans. The reason I started this thread was I'm tired of hearing about how the ducks are going to steamroll the old, soft, slow, wings. They just talk trash like the ducks have accomplished anything. The Ducks have had a few good seasons. No Cups, 1 trip to the finals, and all of a sudden you are unbeatable. Believe a Wings fan when I say anyone can be beat.

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i think that alot of wings fans dont give some of us ducks fans enough credit. I mean i am no expert on hockey but i do know more then most hockey fans in any city and state and i can hold a good debate or conversation about hockey with the best of them. And yes i am from ORANGE COUNTY!!!

and know i do not know movie stars, i dont live in a Giant house on the beach and no i am not flithy rich lol

on allducks we have some of the smartest, most knowlegdeable hockey fans on this planet. if you ever get to go over there and talk with guys like Wildcat and Dark Knight they know puck better then anyone i know.

Take some time and listen to what the REAL Duck fans have to say.

i mean half of the dumasses that call themselves "fans" dont even know they changed there jerseys and there name a year and a half ago haha

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Duckette...are you an Angels fan? Dodgers suck ass, right?

I visited the LA Kings board. I would say 99 percent of the Kings fans would rather swallow a gallon of terpentine than cheer for the Ducks. Wow, there is some serious hate there. I think Angels and Dodgers fans can't stand each other too.

There's some real nastiness between the LA and OC people. OC people think LA is all ghetto. LA people think OC people are a bunch of rich snobs.

And I thought SoCal people were so laid back.

Just make sure to keep in mind that not all SoCal fans are like that. Trust me, I know. Being a Ducks fan is one of the hardest thing to do living between San Diego and LA. Not fun.

And no all Ducks fans are 'dickf***s' as you have so kindly put. I didn't even know that was a word. I have not been disrespectful. And even if we are down 3-0, I will still partake in this board due to the classiness shown by Wings fans here. I'm not here to troll. I enjoy learning things about other teams and this is a great place to do so :)

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well if you are talking depth on defense then i think that the wings are on the shorter end of the stick. You are deffently underestimating the ducks D. Pronger is a wings killer as you remember last year and frankly so do the ducks! Niedemeyer is the best skater in the NHL and doesnt seem to get tired no matter how long he plays for. Beachumin is one of the most underrated players in the NHL. past Lidstrom the ducks have the better D

order i believe is from best to least best...

1. Lidstrom

2. S. Niedermeyer

3. Pronger

4. Beauchemin

5. Schneider ( who doesnt even play a role in this series do to the injury)

6. Chelios

7. Markov (even though he hasnt showed up in the playoffs)

8. Lebda

9. Huskins

10. Quincey

11. Lijla

12. Dipenta

i really dont think that 8-12 are really going to have much positive effects for either team. If wings and ducks are going to be rolling basically the top 2 pairings then i feel the ducks have a slight advantage. I think Beauchmin is a real dealbreaker for the Ducks on D.

I dont think either teams D is going to make or break this series.

its the matchup of the Shut Down line of Moen-R.Niedermeyer-Pahlsson (wins my vote for most underrated player in the league) vs. the Datsyuk line.

also if the Ducks can keep the best man in front of the net man in the NHL (Holmstrum) then they will have a good chance at winning the series. But if jiggy cant see the puck cause he is screened then he cant stop it and if that happens alot in the series i would give the series to the wings.

You guys are in for a surprise though with the kid line of Penner-Perry-Getzlaf line . They are going to make it rough for chelios down low and dont be shocked to see them dominate.

I had to sound condescending, but are have been an NHL fan for longer than a year? Have you watched ANY wings games this postseason?

1) Pronger is NOT a Wings killer. Quite the opposite in fact. The ONLY time he has performed well was last year. Prior to that, the Red Wings wiped their asses with his jersey most often in the playoffs.

2)Guys 8-12 wont be much a factor, in which you list Lilja, Quincey, and Lebda. Lilja is an AWESOME PKer and has been an absolute rock providing steady play, eating up minutes, and playing forwards physical, no matter if their name is Thornton or Iginla. The fact that you put Quincey ahead of Lilja speaks volumes about your kknowledge of him, let alone Quincey himself, whos mistakes you could probably count on one hand. As for Lebda, well his blinding speed is always of major importance to the Wings.

3) Nobody is going to be surprised by Penner, Perry, or Getzlaf. (And just out of curiousity, why do you have Perry centering that line and not Getzlaf?) The majority of people here actually know about more players on opposing teams than just the big names.

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Here's my last post on the pre-series back and forth:

Things the Wings need to worry about:

1. Getting worn down on D. Schneider and his valuable minutes are gone. More minutes for Lids, Chely, Markov and Lilja. Some people don't seem too concerned about this. However, tanks are not endless and some of these fellas could hit a wall if this series is played real tough. Remember, its round 3, not round 1 anymore.

2. 3rd/4th line scoring. The Wings have an edge in skill but that hasn't played out so far. The Ducks played 2 of the more stingy teams in the NHL and are got production from Kunitz, Perry and even Moen has 6 points. How many of the Wings 2nd, 3rd or 4th liners have 6 points in these playoffs?

3. Pronger/Niedermayer. I love how everybody gets their jolly's off the fact that we dominated Pronger back when he was with the sorry ass Blues. You put him on a good team (Edmonton) and he absolutely owned us. I'm more concerned about what Prongs did to us last year (and let's face it he and Roloson dominated the series) and how great he's been this year than I am about how we beat him 10 years ago.

Pronger Niedermayer is disgusting. Imagine how we'd all feel right now if we had Pronger/Lidstrom or Niedermayer/Lidstrom. These guys are conceivably going to be out there either one at least 95% of the time. Carlyle won't have to pair them together and basically can have them rotate so one is on the ice at all times. This isn't good for any team, even the vaunted Redwings.

Coaching: I don't see either coach winning this series

Goaltending: I don't see one goalie outplaying the other enough to win this series

Superstars: I don't see Selanne, Getzlaf, McDonald really outdoing Pavel and Z or vice versa.

IMO, this comes down 3rd/4th line production and whether or not the Wings defense will be strong enough and healthy enough this late in the playoffs to shut down the Ducks.

The Wings have now played 12 grueling games against 2 big, strong, hard-hitting teams. Just because we made it out of those series doesn't mean it makes the next series easier. IMO, it makes it even more difficult. Now you're banged up, tired and have to face guys like Penner who outweigh Bertuzzi.

IMO this is going to be the toughest series we've seen so far.

Hopefully i'll be sitting here in 2 weeks eating crow but right now i'm giving us 50/50 at best to win and maybe a slight edge to the Ducks because they're healthier on the blueline, have had more rest and their bottom 6 forwards are chipping in more than ours.

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sublime fan eh?

Absolutely! Anytime I see LBC (in your profile), I can't help but sing that song in my head.

On a related note, one of the best radio stations in the country is right here in San Diego (http://www.fm949sd.com/)... and they were giving the Wings LOTS of props this morning.

Seems the program director is a huge Wings fan...

Just thought you all would like to know that not all So Cal media are Duck homers.... some are Wing homers....

And I thought SoCal people were so laid back.

That's San Diego you're thinking of... bra.

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Scott Cullen on TSN.ca now has his pick of the Ducks in 5. I think I have only seen like 2 media members picking the Wings. And the Ducks could very well win this series but in 5? I just don't see that happening. I think this series is going 6 or 7 and I'm not sure who will win it. Most people haven't given the wings a chance at all in these playoffs so far. Its amazing how early playoff exits will make people think that you don't have a chance in any series. Usually when that happens is when the team that isn't expected to win does win. Just like last series with the Sharks. I hope that trend continues. GO WINGS!!

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I had to sound condescending, but are have been an NHL fan for longer than a year? Have you watched ANY wings games this postseason?

1) Pronger is NOT a Wings killer. Quite the opposite in fact. The ONLY time he has performed well was last year. Prior to that, the Red Wings wiped their asses with his jersey most often in the playoffs.

2)Guys 8-12 wont be much a factor, in which you list Lilja, Quincey, and Lebda. Lilja is an AWESOME PKer and has been an absolute rock providing steady play, eating up minutes, and playing forwards physical, no matter if their name is Thornton or Iginla. The fact that you put Quincey ahead of Lilja speaks volumes about your kknowledge of him, let alone Quincey himself, whos mistakes you could probably count on one hand. As for Lebda, well his blinding speed is always of major importance to the Wings.

3) Nobody is going to be surprised by Penner, Perry, or Getzlaf. (And just out of curiousity, why do you have Perry centering that line and not Getzlaf?) The majority of people here actually know about more players on opposing teams than just the big names.

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1. pronger IS a wings killer! the only time you dominated him was when it was the st louis pronger vs the red wings. Look what happened when he was on Edmonton they swept you guys and beat as well pretty badly. Now you put pronger on an even better team i think he will have a huge role in this series.

2. i put quincey ahead of lilja for the simple fact that on 5 on 5 hockey i think he quincey is better. yes lilja is a very good PKer but besides that id take Quicey over him. Not to mention i was really tired last nite when i made that list and forgot 2 ducks defensive says it all :)

3. i didnt have perry centering the line i put it that was because in socal we call it the PPG line. penner perry and getzlaf. i know getzlaf is the center on that line but every now and then perry does get thrown in at center. (he did play center for majority of his younger years) i still think that its going to come down to mostly the PPG line and the 4th line matchups. We are getting Marchant back who we havent had in the playoffs this season and he is one of our top PK players. I am interested in seeing who RC rolls out on the 4th line. will it be 80's pornstar parros? thorton? the baby kariya as i call him Shannon or May? Im almost 100% sure RC will have Marchant centering the 4th line and i think he will throw out thorton and may with marchant. The one thing that is really bothering me about what some wings fans have said and EVERY Casucks i mean Canucks fans have said is that Anaheim only rolled out 3 lines for the 1st 2 series and that the Ducks are going to be tired. They are completely wrong. With Marchant coming back and having 4 players rotating 2 slots the Ducks should end up being the healthier of the teams. Not to mention if anything the ducks have had to much time off and are a little to rested

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1. pronger IS a wings killer! the only time you dominated him was when it was the st louis pronger vs the red wings. Look what happened when he was on Edmonton they swept you guys and beat as well pretty badly. Now you put pronger on an even better team i think he will have a huge role in this series.

Not to mention if anything the ducks have had to much time off and are a little to rested

First just to correct you it was 6 games, not a sweep. Not like it matters they still lost but just letting you know.

And don't put too much stock in all that time off. Sometimes it goes against the team with the rest. Having to get their game back. Not saying it will hurt the Ducks or it will help them but you never know. I've seen teams sweep the first round and play a team that went 6 or 7 and the team that went longer ended up kicking the other team around. This should be a good series, I hope anyways.

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Who really cares if another teams fans are considered COCKY or anything else. Everyone can speculate all they want, the game is played for a reason, the experts have bet against the wings in both series, let everyone do it again. The Ducks have a great team this year, they are doing great things, no one can take that away from them, why even try. I can't think of "THE MIGHTY DUCKS" without laughing anyway, what kind of f*cking name is that for a hockey team?!?!? Seriously though, relax, try to enjoy the games. :unsure:

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1. pronger IS a wings killer! the only time you dominated him was when it was the st louis pronger vs the red wings. Look what happened when he was on Edmonton they swept you guys and beat as well pretty badly. Now you put pronger on an even better team i think he will have a huge role in this series.

No, he isn't. Pronger has only been on the winning side of a playoff handshake against the Wings once, and that was last year. One year. The Wings wiped the floor with him when he played for St. Louis, and he never played the Wings in the playoffs in his Hartford days. So no, he is not a Wings killer.

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No, he isn't. Pronger has only been on the winning side of a playoff handshake against the Wings once, and that was last year. One year. The Wings wiped the floor with him when he played for St. Louis, and he never played the Wings in the playoffs in his Hartford days. So no, he is not a Wings killer.

QFT :thumbup:

If anything the WINGS are PRONGER killers, (puck to the chest, Stevie's crippling hip check, 4 consecutive playoff knockouts, etc, etc...)

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Duckette...are you an Angels fan? Dodgers suck ass, right?

I visited the LA Kings board. I would say 99 percent of the Kings fans would rather swallow a gallon of terpentine than cheer for the Ducks. Wow, there is some serious hate there. I think Angels and Dodgers fans can't stand each other too.

There's some real nastiness between the LA and OC people. OC people think LA is all ghetto. LA people think OC people are a bunch of rich snobs.

And I thought SoCal people were so laid back.

Actually, I'm neither. I've been a Padres fan since I was 2, but I do like the Angels more than the Dodgers, even if I do have their jersey :lol: Angels fans hate Dodgers fans and vis-versa. I would also rather swallow a gallon of turpentine than cheer for the Kings, or the Sharks for that matter. SoCal fans are extremely competitive. And we are NEVER laid back. You should see us drive :lol:

LA and the OC hate each other. Anaheim gets mondo pissed off about being considered part of 'LA' because they're not even in the same county. They sell signs at the Pond...err Honda Center that say 'Anaheim is NOT LA'. The Ducks live in the Kings shadow even though they suck, just because they had Gretzky. It's one giant competition. We hate each other, and we love it.

NoCal people are more laid back, SoCal people are fast paced. But you're right, LA will never like the OC and the OC will never like LA.

I hate all LA teams. Lakers. Kings. Clippers. Dodgers. I don't like any of them. I'm not from the OC and I've never lived there (can't afford it) I've lived in Fallbrook, San Diego, Riverside County and a few other places around San Diego so I can't say I've felt the full force where I've lived in SoCal. But I lived between San Diego and LA and was only about 45 minutes south of Anaheim, so I was in the middle of it all. It's very heated.

I hope that made sense, cuz I'm kinda out of it right now...

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replys to your replys...

1. pronger IS a wings killer! the only time you dominated him was when it was the st louis pronger vs the red wings. Look what happened when he was on Edmonton they swept you guys and beat as well pretty badly. Now you put pronger on an even better team i think he will have a huge role in this series.

2. i put quincey ahead of lilja for the simple fact that on 5 on 5 hockey i think he quincey is better. yes lilja is a very good PKer but besides that id take Quicey over him. Not to mention i was really tired last nite when i made that list and forgot 2 ducks defensive says it all :)

Seriously? The St. Louis Pronger? Did you seriously just become a Ducks fan when they started making the playoffs last year??

Al MacInnis, Dough Weight, Keith Tkachuk, Chris Osgood, Pavol Demitra, Cory Stillman, Scott Mellanby, Val Bure, Barett Jackman, Dallas Drake, Jamal Mayers, Scott Young, Turgeon, Conroy, Handzus, Courtnall. Do you even know who half these guys are? St. Louis was a very solid team for many years. Why do you think they made the playoffs for some 25 seasons in a row? They were filled with great goal scorers, great role players, and a good defense that, contrary to popular belief, was headlined by Al MacInnis for a while even with Pronger on the team.

As for 5 on 5 play concerning Lilja, he has been a stud there to. Fact of the matter is, hes been all you could ask for in a defensive defenseman. Hes playing the best hockey of his career right now.

As for the last playoffs, that was the worst playoff team Detroit has iced in a while, starting with the goaltending. I dont care who faced Detroit last year in the playoffs, we wouldve lost.

EDIT: Let me clarify that saying this do not mean that Chris Pronger isnt a great defenseman. He definitely is the best the Ducks have, even with Niedermayer on the squad - it showed when Pronger was out of the lineup - but to say he was is a bona fide Wings killer has yet to be seen.

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The Ducks live in the Kings shadow even though they suck, just because they had Gretzky. It's one giant competition. We hate each other, and we love it.

That, and the fact the Kings have been around longer. The Kings also play in a more metropolitan area, which LA is huge. I've never been to Anaheim myself, but I imagine it's not nearly as big as LA.

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I cannot believe I just read such an ignorant, boastful article.

Seriously, what the hell is up with dissing the Wings? I have never seen a #1 seed get so much disrespect. I don't think I've ever been this pissed off before a playoff series.

LA columinst predicts 2003 repeat for Ducks.

This was posted in the Detroit News.

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I cannot believe I just read such an ignorant, boastful article.

Seriously, what the hell is up with dissing the Wings? I have never seen a #1 seed get so much disrespect. I don't think I've ever been this pissed off before a playoff series.

LA columinst predicts 2003 repeat for Ducks.

This was posted in the Detroit News.

I'm suprised this is bothering you. Usually you were one of the people telling us not to be bothered by the Wings bashing in the media.

It really doesn't bother me, because I've heard it all before. It's just one big cliche that follows the Wings: old, soft, and European. If the Wings win the Cup though, which I certainly believe they will, all this stuff people say won't mean a thing. And all these so-called "experts" can warm up their crow and have a nice helping of it. :D

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Not when the Red Wings, who rely heavily on 45-year-old defenseman Chris Chelios and 42-year-old goaltender Dominik Hasek, had to mobilize their walkers to rally past the spineless San Jose Sharks in six games in the second round.

Really odd considering the Sharks were a "YOUNG, FAST, GRITTY' team to be feared a few days ago. How hard is it to figure out this guy is talking out of his A$$. Anyone who "BUYS INTO" what this clown is saying doesn't pay attention to the rest of the world. Who cares...

:thumbdown:

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