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#41 OsGOD

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 05:59 PM

QUOTE(MrSandMan @ May 9, 2007 - 06:56PM) View Post

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that a true Red Wing fan should put his team first and foremost over feeding, housing, clothing their children?


Why wouldn't they??? I did that to be able to go to 3 games so far this post season sly.gif ph34r.gif (ninja's)

J/king... hockey tickets are luxury that many fellow michiganians simply can not afford right now. Catch me again in October when (pending the ticket price hike) I will be able to once again attend games.

Edited by OsGOD, 09 May 2007 - 06:00 PM.




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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:03 PM

man i don't live in michigan but it sounds really bad from what I hear

just imagine what all those trillions dollars in iraq could have done to revive economy.. well.. i maybe going off topic

anyway hopefully ticket prices go down (or stay same at least) for the next round IF we do advance. On TV, JLA certainly seems different from past playoff runs.
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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:06 PM

QUOTE(Yemack @ May 9, 2007 - 07:03PM) View Post

anyway hopefully ticket prices go down (or stay same at least) for the next round IF we do advance. On TV, JLA certainly seems different from past playoff runs.


Not going to happen... they already released the prices for the finals back before the playoffs. Take the Regular season prices and multiply them by 5 to get your FINALS prices. Also add on that nice ticket bastard charge.

Its not all bad... its only 500% markup over regular season prices... Hmm, I wonder why they aren't selling out?




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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE(Calgary Wings Fan @ May 9, 2007 - 03:38PM) View Post

Sorry bout that im assuming thats what your getting at. You said you don't think high prices and economy are the reasons for fans not attending so what's one to think? Please enlighten me with an explanation then as to why they are not sold out?


i think the main reason is that the recent success of other sports teams in the detroit area has erroded the red wing fan base. simply put, the bandwaggoners (at least the poor ones) have jumpped off the bandwaggon. albeit, the red wings have sustained a long playoff run this year, they haven't done so in the 3 seasons before that. so during those 4 years all those bandwaggon fans have probably found better things to do with their money. perhaps the people in the detroit area are taking the red wings for granted these days. perhaps, but the red wing nation is still strong (i believe that the only los angeles kings games to sell out this year were the games where the red wings were in town). would the games at the honda center have sold out if it were a sharks/ducks WCF and the lakers were still playing? probably not.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:08 PM

Red Wings fans don't like to admit this fact: hockey is losing its popularity in Michigan. The Red Wings are has beens next to the Deeeeeeeetroit Basketball Pistons and the Tiggers. The Wings were a hot commodity back in the late 1990s when the Pistons and Tigers were sucking up the joint. Not so much anymore.

The Detroit Free Press and News devote more coverage to the Tigers and Pistons despite the Wings recent playoff triumphs. What does that tell you? On sports talk shows in Detroit: more people care about the draft situation with the Lions than the Red Wings in the playoffs. What does that tell you? The fact that sports fans in Detroit are going into cardiac arrest over Joel Zumaya's finger injury and they could care less about Matthieu Schneider's playoff-ending wrist injury tells you something. It tells you that Michigan sports fans could give a s*** about the Red Wings and that's the cold truth.

Listen, the NHL has managed to turn away fans from hockey and the Red Wings in particular. I bet there were many casual fans who went to Red Wings games before the lockout and they were starting to get hooked. After the lockout...those fans said "f*** This" and never bought tickets to a Wings game again. The NHL lockout did some damage to the Red Wings here.

Wings fans in this forum will slam for this post but it's the truth.


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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE(FUUFNF @ May 9, 2007 - 06:48PM) View Post

i never denied there is a big unemployment problem in michigan. but that doesn't entirely explain why no red wing playoff games has been sold out so far this season.


I myself was unemployed for 6 months. It's hard to find a job in this state. I literally applied at over 700 locations in 6 months, and got a total of 2 call backs. I got one job offer. This job blows. I am making about half of what I was. I can barley pay my cell phone bill (which is cheaper and more convient than a land line), car note & insurance, rent, and have enough money for food.

I think someone already mentioned this, but simply making the money to have a home that has a $3,500 mortgage, and struggling to put food on the table (for myself mind you, I have no kids or significant other) are two completely different worlds. It's like Jagr complaining about not being paid enough because the insurance on his 6 Benzs, 8 BWMs, 3 Hummers, 4 boats, and 2 helicopters went up.

Living within your means is one thing. But not being able to provide the basic needs is another.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE(livediehockey80 @ May 9, 2007 - 07:08PM) View Post

Red Wings fans don't like to admit this fact: hockey is losing its popularity in Michigan. The Red Wings are has beens next to the Deeeeeeeetroit Basketball Pistons and the Tiggers. The Wings were a hot commodity back in the late 1990s when the Pistons and Tigers were sucking up the joint. Not so much anymore.

The Detroit Free Press and News devote more coverage to the Tigers and Pistons despite the Wings recent playoff triumphs. What does that tell you? On sports talk shows in Detroit: more people care about the draft situation with the Lions than the Red Wings in the playoffs. What does that tell you? The fact that sports fans in Detroit are going into cardiac arrest over Joel Zumaya's finger injury and they could care less about Matthieu Schneider's playoff-ending wrist injury tells you something. It tells you that Michigan sports fans could give a s*** about the Red Wings and that's the cold truth.

Listen, the NHL has managed to turn away fans from hockey and the Red Wings in particular. I bet there were many casual fans who went to Red Wings games before the lockout and they were starting to get hooked. After the lockout...those fans said "f*** This" and never bought tickets to a Wings game again. The NHL lockout did some damage to the Red Wings here.

Wings fans in this forum will slam for this post but it's the truth.


Perhaps it's as you say it... the MEDIA doesn't play it up so therefore it seems like something is a bigger deal than something else. MEDIA coverage of hockey has always sucked...Just because the MEDIA doesn't portray the Schnider injury as something huge, does not imply that the "real" world sees it that way. The MEDIA has their own ways of making things way more important than they are. Try to find a spot at the local B-dubs or waterhole the day of the game... I guarantee you the seats are all filled up with fans cheering on the team.


For the record... ticket prices:

Here is an example of the Season tickets we have (keep in mind we have 2 tickets so you must double all numbers below for a couple to go to the game). Our tickets are in the Upper Bowl Row 11... this is why we turned them down for the post season:

$54 --> Regular season price for 41 games

$99 for Round 1 (about a 183% markup)
$108 for Round 2 (about a 200% markup
$158 for Round 3 (about a 292.6% markup)
$270 for Round 4 (about a 500% markup)

Edited by OsGOD, 09 May 2007 - 06:16 PM.




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#48 BringHomeTheCup!

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE(livediehockey80 @ May 9, 2007 - 07:08PM) View Post

On sports talk shows in Detroit: more people care about the draft situation with the Lions than the Red Wings in the playoffs. What does that tell you?

Wings fans in this forum will slam for this post but it's the truth.

As much as I love hockey, this state is a football state. The Lions have never been a real good team. They have had decent teams, but never a true contender. Yet, the games are packed. I'm not sure if they are sell outs or not, but I know they are close to it. Ticket prices are a lot better to. I went to a Lions game this year, I got the ticket for free. It was a $75 or $85 ticket. I sat just off to to the side of the end zone. Great place to watch a game. If I wanted to get that close to the rink at the Joe, it would cost me easily $150, regular season.

And I agree, going to a Wings game is no longer a status symbol.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE(Zion @ May 9, 2007 - 03:52PM) View Post

Typical Californian. Doesn't know what the f*** he's talking about.

I've lived an hour from Anaheim and an hour from Detroit, so I am well aware of the differences in the economy. I don't give a f*** what "excuses" you "buy into". You're not from the area, so how the f*** would you know? It must be because the Wings suck and the fans don't like them. That's the only possible reason they're not selling out.

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ok, you got me. i have no idea what the f*** i'm talking about. i'm a ducks fan and i think the red wings suck. you know me better than my mother does.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:22 PM

QUOTE(FUUFNF @ May 9, 2007 - 07:18PM) View Post

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ok, you got me. i have no idea what the f*** i'm talking about. i'm a ducks fan and i think the red wings suck. you know me better than my mother does.

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Just a quick FYI, tickets that were $20 face value during the regular season are now $99, that is %500 mark up. These are the seats that I usually get. I can't afford much else.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(BringHomeTheCup! @ May 9, 2007 - 04:22PM) View Post

Just a quick FYI, tickets that were $20 face value during the regular season are now $99, that is %500 mark up. These are the seats that I usually get. I can't afford much else.


tickets are marked up that much here too.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(FUUFNF @ May 9, 2007 - 05:18PM) View Post

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ok, you got me. i have no idea what the f*** i'm talking about. i'm a ducks fan and i think the red wings suck. you know me better than my mother does.

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I don't agree with him that you have no idea what you're talking about, but reading your posts I really don't think you get how bad the economy in Michigan is right now.

And its not just a bad economic environment. It's a combination of a bad economic environment coupled with high ticket prices. If tickets were 20-30-40 bucks, people in shaky financial situations might go to a game just as a treat and a way to forgot about what's happening for a couple hours. But with ticket prices what they are, no one is going to blow that kind of money if they can't afford it.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE(jmonte345 @ May 9, 2007 - 03:52PM) View Post

Because we aren't real fans rolleyes.gif


and you can quote me on that right?.... right. dry.gif

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE(FUUFNF @ May 9, 2007 - 07:26PM) View Post

tickets are marked up that much here too.

They should be!!! remember the cost of living is much higher in Cal. You can afford them, and it doesnt put much of a dent in your 6 figure salary!!!

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE(FUUFNF @ May 9, 2007 - 07:26PM) View Post

tickets are marked up that much here too.

Do season ticket holders get price breaks in Anaheim?

Also, aside from the economy and competition from other sports teams, it's important to note that the JLA seats almost 3,000 more people than the Honda Center.

Edited by FearTheSnarf, 09 May 2007 - 06:34 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE(FUUFNF @ May 9, 2007 - 07:26PM) View Post

tickets are marked up that much here too.

That may be so. But you are forgetting how awful the economy is here. Like I said before, it's a choice between basic needs and a hockey game, what are you going to pick?

You said before you pay a $3,500/mo mortgage. That alone says you make at least $3,500/mo, yeah cost of living is significantly higher, but understand this. Here, people aren't worried about making minimum payments on their crdit cards, or having the mortgage in on time. We are worring about how we are going to find the money to get our next meal, how much longer the electric company will leave our elecrticy on because it hasn't been paid in months. We don't wonder where our kids are going to go to college, we wonder if they can find a job after high school to help us stay afloat.

I really don't think you have a grasp on how bad things are here. Going to a Wings game is a great way to get away from it all, but not when it's going to a Wings game or having food.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE(BlakChamber @ May 9, 2007 - 04:26PM) View Post

I don't agree with him that you have no idea what you're talking about, but reading your posts I really don't think you get how bad the economy in Michigan is right now.

And its not just a bad economic environment. It's a combination of a bad economic environment coupled with high ticket prices. If tickets were 20-30-40 bucks, people in shaky financial situations might go to a game just as a treat and a way to forgot about what's happening for a couple hours. But with ticket prices what they are, no one is going to blow that kind of money if they can't afford it.


you're probably right, and i don't truly understand just how bad the michigan economy is. but i didn't really plan on getting into a full-blown economic discussion about why the michigan economy is how it is. basically what i'm saying is that it's easy to blame the poor economy for the lack of ticket sales at the joe. and although it is a reason, i don't think it's the main reason. i do think there is an erroding interest in red wing hockey, and considering our past 3 playoff performaces, it's understandably so. but does that mean that people in the detroit area are not "true" fans because they can't afford to go to games? definitely not.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE(Gizmo @ May 9, 2007 - 05:30PM) View Post

I don't think the local economy has as much to do with it as the $$$ they charge for the playoff tickets. My wife gives me enough grief about the cost of going to regular season games!


Truer words cannot be (typed in this case). Even at $99 a seat it's pretty darn expensive. Most of those seats go first so then your looking at spending even more. I was lucky enought to see game 1 of the conference finals in 2002. They didn't seem that expensive back then.
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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:47 PM

QUOTE(FearTheSnarf @ May 9, 2007 - 04:33PM) View Post

Do season ticket holders get price breaks in Anaheim?


i'm not a ducks season ticket holder, so i wouldn't know with certainty. but, from what i heard, no, definitely not.

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Posted 09 May 2007 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE(FUUFNF @ May 9, 2007 - 07:26PM) View Post

tickets are marked up that much here too.


and you have 2.3% more people with steady work and steady salaries to fill those seats. Its all relative.

Like I said... got to any local watering hole on game night and try to get a walk in seat. People are still supporting the wings... only they aren't rapping their wallets to do so.

Edited by OsGOD, 09 May 2007 - 06:50 PM.




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