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OFFICIAL: Pronger Suspended for Game 4

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Yep, you have your opinion. And my opinion is that your opinion is biased and dumb.

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I don't mean to pile on Duckette and the ridiculous "comparison" between the 'celebrating' of injuries to Kunitz and Holmstrom, but.... come on. You're not even comparing apples and oranges, that's how far off that is.

The fact of the matter is that Wings fans weren't celebrating his injury directly, per say, they were celebrating the circumstance it created. Keep in mind this was found out only heading into Game 2, and that Kunitz was fine (sans the broken bone in his hand) -- what had happened to Kunitz was, in lack of better terms, a "known quantity".

Ducks fans didn't have the same 'luxury' with Holmstrom -- for all they knew he could've had a broken neck. But it was clearly audible that there were fans there lusting for blood and it was clear on TV.

And don't bother trying to speak for 17K+ fans that were there... Why not just ask some of the people that WERE at the game that are members here? No one is saying it was the entire Ducks fanbase en masse, but it sure was noticable. Hell, even the Ducks media was lambasting fans for it.

Matt, I'm sorry, I couldn't read the above post due to being doubled over by laughter caused by your avatar. Damn, that is one of the funnier things I have seen in a looong time. Do you have a large copy of that I could show to a friend of mine who is infatuated with Chuck Norris?

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Everyone with an opinion voiced in a decent manner is welcome here. However, any fan of an opponent's team who comes here expecting us (Wings fans) to agree that Neidermeyer and Pronger should skate away untouched from what they teamed up to do to Homer is going to be very disappointed in the response. I wouldn't dream of going to an opponent's board and trying to justify something like what they did to Holmstrom, since it's indefensible.

If this same atrocious hit on Homer happened to a Ducks player, I guarantee the Anaheim fans would be howling for justice. The only thing is, there isn't a single guy on the Wings bench who would ever consider doing such a thing, so it's a moot point.

Both Anaheim players deserve at least what they got. Homer is OK, purely good fortune there, so we move on.

Go, Wings... roast 'em tomorrow night!! :yowza:

All I am trying to get across is the fact that alot of people are saying that pronger intended to hurt holmstrom. I think that's an unfair statement. Noone knows if he did or not and theres only one person that does know and thats Pronger. So until he comes out and says it was intential then I feel as if we should give Pronger the benefit of the doubt. Either way it was a stupid hit to do and i am glad holmstrom is okay so noone makes excuses for the Wings if the Ducks came back and won the series cause Holmstrom was out.

Also Rob NIEDERMAYER (yes that is the correct spelling) is getting alot more attention then he should be getting. His hit was 100% clean, his arms were down and no elbow was up.

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Man , I always turn on the dynasty video , 02 disc. And turn to that chpater , just to watch Pronger look like an idiot and see what kind of a a warrior Stevie was. I remeber laughing at Pronger when that puss limped off the ice

Hextall didnt appreciate that hit too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIXjuKB3IeI...ted&search=

What a crazy man Ron Hextall was

Anyone know where to find a video of that? i seem to be fuzzy in recalling that... might have been a game i missed or something... and if pronger makes himself look like a fool in it, all the better

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All I am trying to get across is the fact that alot of people are saying that pronger intended to hurt holmstrom. I think that's an unfair statement. Noone knows if he did or not and theres only one person that does know and thats Pronger. So until he comes out and says it was intential then I feel as if we should give Pronger the benefit of the doubt. Either way it was a stupid hit to do and i am glad holmstrom is okay so noone makes excuses for the Wings if the Ducks came back and won the series cause Holmstrom was out.

Also Rob NIEDERMAYER (yes that is the correct spelling) is getting alot more attention then he should be getting. His hit was 100% clean, his arms were down and no elbow was up.

Why should Pronger get the benefit the doubt? He's tried to injure guys before. Remember when he went after Yzerman in 2002, or Andreas Johansson a few years ago?

Oh wait, you don't, because you are biased, and everything in your eyes is that Pronger is a perfect angel who has never done anything wrong in his life.

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Matt, I'm sorry, I couldn't read the above post due to being doubled over by laughter caused by your avatar. Damn, that is one of the funnier things I have seen in a looong time. Do you have a large copy of that I could show to a friend of mine who is infatuated with Chuck Norris?

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Why should Pronger get the benefit the doubt? He's tried to injure guys before. Remember when he went after Yzerman in 2002, or Andreas Johansson a few years ago?

To be honest, I'm getting the distinct feeling he was still rolling around in diapers in 2002.

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Why should Pronger get the benefit the doubt? He's tried to injure guys before. Remember when he went after Yzerman in 2002, or Andreas Johansson a few years ago?

Oh wait, you don't, because you are biased, and everything in your eyes is that Pronger is a perfect angel who has never done anything wrong in his life.

I agree. Pronger was suspect long before he donned a Yuck uniform. I would never cheer for an injury to any player, but when he went after Stevie Y. (who is a god, and a perfect hockey player and who actually never did anything wrong in his entire life...) -- that worked for me. No mercy, no forgiveness, and after the hit on Homer, Pronger's truly dead to me. Pronger meted out his own punishment.

2002, Pronger tried to take out Stevie, so Stevie won another Cup, as it should be. 2007, he tried to take out Homer, and Homer.... well, finish the sentence for yourself. :sly:

"No one knows" if he went out to intentionally hurt Homer? Seriously, now. Why should we give him the benefit of the doubt with his history of trying to take players out with dirty/questionable hits? The NHL thinks he's guilty and so do most of us here.

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I agree. Pronger was suspect long before he donned a Yuck uniform. I would never cheer for an injury to any player, but when he went after Stevie Y. (who is a god, and a perfect hockey player and who actually never did anything wrong in his entire life...) -- that worked for me. No mercy, no forgiveness, and after the hit on Homer, Pronger's truly dead to me. Pronger meted out his own punishment.

2002, Pronger tried to take out Stevie, so Stevie won another Cup, as it should be. 2007, he tried to take out Homer, and Homer.... well, finish the sentence for yourself. :sly:

"No one knows" if he went out to intentionally hurt Homer? Seriously, now. Why should we give him the benefit of the doubt with his history of trying to take players out with dirty/questionable hits? The NHL thinks he's guilty and so do most of us here.

Your post is a bit encrypted there. Are you agreeing with me when I say that Pronger is a dirty cheapshot, or are you not?

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Your post is a bit encrypted there. Are you agreeing with me when I say that Pronger is a dirty cheapshot, or are you not?

of course, I am agreeing with you. I think I phrased it confusingly when I said Pronger meted out his own punishment when he tore up his knee trying to take out Stevie (who IS perfect in my eyes). It was perfect justice when Pronger limped off the ice and out of the playoffs. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I still wouldn't cheer over any injury, but I wasn't sorry to see Pronger go out that way.

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All I am trying to get across is the fact that alot of people are saying that pronger intended to hurt holmstrom. I think that's an unfair statement.

Also Rob NIEDERMAYER (yes that is the correct spelling) is getting alot more attention then he should be getting. His hit was 100% clean, his arms were down and no elbow was up.

From the standpoint of Niedermayer, I agree with you 100%. I think that he was finishing his check, its just that Homer was facing the boards. Pronger knew this and acted on it. There is no professional player that can't read and understand the position that he was in.

As Wing fans, we know Pronger very well. IMHO, I think that he was trying to injure him or at least hurt him. Pronger may become a HOFer one day, but he is likely to always be known as the perenial loser.

He has a history of stupid bonehead retaliation penalties.

Help me out Hockey Nerds, wasn't it in 1999 when he went after McSorley in the LA playoffs and completely turned the series around resulting in his Blues losing. Thats how I remember it.

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He deserves more, but I'm just glad he got suspended.

It was a dirty hit, like the dirty hit he tried to pull on Stevie Y.

All that matters is Homer is okay and ready to play

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And Getzlaf could have gotten his eye poppped out

whats your point?

How can anyone take this logic seriously? Are you familiar with incidental plays vs. intent to injure plays? Nobody here was calling for Conroy's head when he almost "popped Homer's eye out". What a joke.

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How can anyone take this logic seriously? Are you familiar with incidental plays vs. intent to injure plays? Nobody here was calling for Conroy's head when he almost "popped Homer's eye out". What a joke.

all I am saying is that most the time the big hits dont end up having the player hurt. its the little injuries that seem to get the players hurt for instance holmstrom took a hell of a hit and played later on in that game yet kunitz takes a small slash on the wrist and hes out for the series

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all I am saying is that most the time the big hits dont end up having the player hurt. its the little injuries that seem to get the players hurt for instance holmstrom took a hell of a hit and played later on in that game yet kunitz takes a small slash on the wrist and hes out for the series

you're annoying.

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all I am saying is that most the time the big hits dont end up having the player hurt. its the little injuries that seem to get the players hurt for instance holmstrom took a hell of a hit and played later on in that game yet kunitz takes a small slash on the wrist and hes out for the series

While I can kinda see your point about the little hits causing serious injuries and some bigger hits not leaving a mark, you can't seriously think that Pronger should not get a suspension or fine or anything. Homer had someone higher looking out for him because that hit could have been so much worse of an injury than just a few stitches - it could have caused paralysis. Put your favorite player in Homers skates and your most loathed player in Prongers and replay that hit. Watch the feed on TSN.ca if you need to. You can't tell me that once you look at it without your "orange and black" glasses that you would think that hit was not worthy of a suspension.

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all I am saying is that most the time the big hits dont end up having the player hurt. its the little injuries that seem to get the players hurt for instance holmstrom took a hell of a hit and played later on in that game yet kunitz takes a small slash on the wrist and hes out for the series

For the last time:

Everyone appreciates big hits, when they're clean. Everyone appreciates the fact that sometimes sticks come up and clip guys in the face and they don't get personally riled up; knowing it wasn't intended.

This, however, is not what happened. Pronger, as per his M.O., intentionally headhunted a guy with his elbows. I will admit that normally he likes to hit them in the face or from the side; so in that case this hit was slightly unique... but only insofar as it showed even less class and integrity than his usual cheap shot. And that's saying something coming from Chris Pronger.

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all I am saying is that most the time the big hits dont end up having the player hurt. its the little injuries that seem to get the players hurt for instance holmstrom took a hell of a hit and played later on in that game yet kunitz takes a small slash on the wrist and hes out for the series

There you go again trying to equate what Pronger did with a "big hit". That was not a "big hit". Big hits are clean and are defined as clean because they rarely result in injury. What Pronger did was headhunting, not hitting. It was much more closely related to Bertuzzi's sucker punch on Moore than any clean "big hit" such as what Scott Stevens might lay out. Dirty plays like Pronger's are what ends up hurting someone much more often than things like the small slash to Kunitz, which happen about 100 times a game, minus the broken bones.

And, I don't know if this has been said, so I'll say it just in case, because it needs doing. Brian Burke is a complete jackass. He was a jackass with Vancouver and he's a jackass with Anaheim.

]"We disagree completely with (NHL disciplinarian) Colin Campbell's decision here. But we respect the process," Ducks general manager Brian Burke said. "If you watch some of the other views, it looks like a dangerous, high hit. If you look at the end zone view, I think it shows best that Chris Pronger went to hit Tomas Holmstrom at a 45-degree angle from the boards.

"At no point is Chris delivering a hit toward the boards, a dangerous hit. He's coming in to finish a check at a 45-degree angle. Rob Niedermayer steps into the player (Holmstrom), pins him, you get a high finish."

The man loves dirty play, and it follows him wherever he goes. "Well, ahem, most of the pictures and video show that Pronger was trying to shove Holmstrom's head into the boards. But there's this one shot here where if you angle your head just right and kinda close one eye you can see that it was a clean hit, but you gotta squint cause it's like a Magic Eye." Finishing a check my ass. He doesn't even know why Pronger was suspended in the first place.

all I am saying is that most the time the big hits dont end up having the player hurt. its the little injuries that seem to get the players hurt for instance holmstrom took a hell of a hit and played later on in that game yet kunitz takes a small slash on the wrist and hes out for the series

There you go again trying to equate what Pronger did with a "big hit". That was not a "big hit". Big hits are clean and are defined as clean because they rarely result in injury. What Pronger did was headhunting, not hitting. It was much more closely related to Bertuzzi's sucker punch on Moore than any clean "big hit" such as what Scott Stevens might lay out. Dirty plays like Pronger's are what ends up hurting someone much more often than things like the small slash to Kunitz, which happen about 100 times a game, minus the broken bones.

And, I don't know if this has been said, so I'll say it just in case, because it needs doing. Brian Burke is a complete jackass. He was a jackass with Vancouver and he's a jackass with Anaheim.

"We disagree completely with (NHL disciplinarian) Colin Campbell's decision here. But we respect the process," Ducks general manager Brian Burke said. "If you watch some of the other views, it looks like a dangerous, high hit. If you look at the end zone view, I think it shows best that Chris Pronger went to hit Tomas Holmstrom at a 45-degree angle from the boards.

"At no point is Chris delivering a hit toward the boards, a dangerous hit. He's coming in to finish a check at a 45-degree angle. Rob Niedermayer steps into the player (Holmstrom), pins him, you get a high finish."

The man loves dirty play, and it follows him wherever he goes. "Well, ahem, most of the pictures and video show that Pronger was trying to shove Holmstrom's head into the boards. But there's this one shot here where if you angle your head just right and kinda close one eye you can see that it was a clean hit, but you gotta squint cause it's like a Magic Eye." Finishing a check my ass. He doesn't even know why Pronger was suspended in the first place.

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...bottom line, ducks have to resort to dirty plays to try to beat us. Homer dominted this game, he gets under the skin of every player in the league. When cheap shot artists, like Dil-Donger, see Homer, they try to hurt him. The intent was there, I don't care what Burke says about 45 degree angles and end zone views, the intent to injury was there. Homer came back, because he took what the Ducks dished out, assisted on the "salt in the wound" goal and totally showed Christie Dil-Donger who is the tougher and smarter individual...

...If the Wings go on to win the Cup, Holmstrom should get huge consideration for the Conn Smythe...

...hey Christie, there's a reason why Homer has 3 Cups (did he get his name on the 97 Cup?) and you only have the one between your legs. It's spelled P R O F E S S I O N A L I S M...

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seeing that chelios hit again makes me think about how lost i was when the wings decided to bring him to detroit.

not saying this would ever happen but what if pronger was ever to be invited to play for detroit... how long would

it take for some of you to lose the chip on your shoulder, honestly?

my point is that it was an unfortunate cheap hit and completely uncalled for, however justice has been served and the games will continue.

i don't approve of many things i've seen pronger do in his career but i guarantee you that i would see a LOT of you lose the attitude if he was to ever wear the winged wheel.

pronger's an enforcer and he made a bad decision... let it rest.

i agree the hit was with intent to injure and has no place in the game. at the same time, a lot of things happen in the heat of the moment and these people are human. i don't excuse their actions in the least but let's not forget that they are vulnerable like the rest of us and don't always make the right choices.

i'm sure bertuzzi knows how pronger is feeling right about now, as is every other player that made an ill advised hit that cost somebody a potential career/life altering injury.

life happens... the wings will do what they ought to with this advantage, which is keep the pressure on and SOG up.

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seeing that chelios hit again makes me think about how lost i was when the wings decided to bring him to detroit.

not saying this would ever happen but what if pronger was ever to be invited to play for detroit... how long would

it take for some of you to lose the chip on your shoulder, honestly?

my point is that it was an unfortunate cheap hit and completely uncalled for, however justice has been served and the games will continue.

i don't approve of many things i've seen pronger do in his career but i guarantee you that i would see a LOT of you lose the attitude if he was to ever wear the winged wheel.

pronger's an enforcer and he made a bad decision... let it rest.

i agree the hit was with intent to injure and has no place in the game. at the same time, a lot of things happen in the heat of the moment and these people are human. i don't excuse their actions in the least but let's not forget that they are vulnerable like the rest of us and don't always make the right choices.

i'm sure bertuzzi knows how pronger is feeling right about now, as is every other player that made an ill advised hit that cost somebody a potential career/life altering injury.

life happens... the wings will do what they ought to with this advantage, which is keep the pressure on and SOG up.

I could stomach him being on the Wings, but he'd get no free passes when he inevitably pulled out a dirty hit from me.

There's a short list of players I never wanted to see in Red, but he can count himself amongst Claude Lemieux and Eric Lindros in my book. Dirtbag players are dirtbag players, Winged Wheel or not.

Edited by Stevie Y.

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all I am saying is that most the time the big hits dont end up having the player hurt. its the little injuries that seem to get the players hurt for instance holmstrom took a hell of a hit and played later on in that game yet kunitz takes a small slash on the wrist and hes out for the series

A "big hit." What planet are you from? I gotta say you must be jaded from being a Ducks fan, because thats not a "big hit" - thats a dirty hit, an illegal hit, a vicious hit, brutal hit. Take your pick. Those kind of things don't belong in the game and it really is a testament to the organization that is the Ducks when they slap an A on the jersey of a guy who has trouble respecting his fellow players.

...And the worst part about that is, this isnt his first time doing it nor does he only go after the agitators or enforcers. As others have said, hes attempted to injure Steve Yzerman who, regardless of whether or not you are a Red Wings fan, is thought as one of the classiest guys to ever lace 'em up.

Although, Steve Yzerman DID retire over the summer, so its possible you arent sure who the guy is.

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