RedRockit 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 Whenever people talk about the non-calls, I will always say this... Champions play through adversity, even bad officiating. It's just part of becoming a champion... Yeah, I'll be saying that tomorrow, it's my usual POV, but right now, with my emotions running high, I'm all "O the humanity" and "Konspiratsia, comrades!!!" *manages a weak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteCloud 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 makeup calls, and officials making games exciting, is ruining hockey. Exactly. It's epidemic in the NHL this year. If there is a way for the officials to give a team a chance to tie a game they will give it to them. Like I said I have been pissed off because of this when watching two teams I don't care about. The officiating is inconsistent to downright awful. So many old school fans don't even watch the NHL anymore because the league has become a farce. My parents used to go to a ton of Wings games and never missed a game on TV and now they will go to a game or two every year and will rarely watch a game on TV. I have talked to a lot of people who just don't care anymore. The NHL is no longer about the players but is about how the officials are going to affect the game. Sorta like the NBA used to be when Bettman was there. Bettman was an NBA exec when that league was drowning and the NHL was on the rise. Now with Bettman at the helm the NHL is the laughing stock of professional leagues. Coincidence? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingschamps 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 it's going 7 yes, yes it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 and it's not just our games. if they can see a chance to even halfway believably give the losing team a chance to get in it, they'll do it this is pathetic. i don't even want to win a cup like this. the refs are crafting f***in storylines LIKE GODDAMN WRESTLING. "too many men? ah f*** it, it's late in the third! let's make it exciting" "hey *******, we just lost because of you" "..........oops" Ok I think the Refs a bad, but not that bad. Because, if your theory holds true we should play to lose and then the refs will hand us the win. I don't know, I theorize on alot of things that Bettman may have his hand on, but I think this is a bit too far out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 There was a bulls*** call on the Ducks in game 4 that gave us a looooong 5-on-3 to start the third. We score on that chance and this thread doesn't exist. Blaming the refs will just drive you crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 21, 2007 The call on Datsyuk was such bull s***!!! Pronger and Niedermayer have done that all serie without being called and now they decide to call it at the end of a game!!! I was more irritated by the hook that led to the winning goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckette 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 Dude, non-calls are going both ways. I see SO much clutching and grabbing down in the Detroit end. We're each looking through our own team's glasses. There are games where refs give the games away (Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals Tampa vs. NJ) but tonight was not one of them. We didn't score on PP, neither did you. Tonight was about missed opportunities, not reffing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 Dude, non-calls are going both ways. I see SO much clutching and grabbing down in the Detroit end. We're each looking through our own team's glasses. There are games where refs give the games away (Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals Tampa vs. NJ) but tonight was not one of them. We didn't score on PP, neither did you. Tonight was about missed opportunities, not reffing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozac 10 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 Dude, non-calls are going both ways. I see SO much clutching and grabbing down in the Detroit end. We're each looking through our own team's glasses. There are games where refs give the games away (Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals Tampa vs. NJ) but tonight was not one of them. We didn't score on PP, neither did you. Tonight was about missed opportunities, not reffing. Missed opportunities is correct. If Detroit can't score with all the chances they've had including the 5on3's this game and the last then they don't deserve to win. I'm so pissed right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
96Homer 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 (edited) It's like they don't care about what they put out on the ice. Ever since all these new rules it seems nobody can get it right! How can you miss calls when there are 4 linesmen on the ice. That give them 8 eyes to watch geez! Edited May 21, 2007 by 96Homer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 ...Wings lost, bottom line... ...if they would've capatailzed on just ONE powerplay, game over, as a matter of fact, they had the same problem in Game 4, so it would have been Series over... ...Dats took a penalty, period. Sure, with the way things were going NON-CALL-wise, it was BS to call that penalty at that point in the game, especially after the couple of too many men and the Penner (sp.) charge that wasn't called. He clearly left his feet, but you CANNOT give the ref ANY reason to call something at that critical point in the game, and it's Datsyuk's fault that we are not going out west up 3 to 2. (which, BTW where has he been that last few games? How about Zetterberg? They need to score.) ...Sure, the Wings had 7 PP chances, and chances are they wouldn't have scored on those if they were called, but if you are going to give a team a mulligan (too many men) with 2 minutes or so to go, you CANNOT call a small hook with less than 1:30 or so to go, giving the team a 6 on 4. Also, when Lilja lost the puck in OT, he was hooked while trying to get back to Selanne, no call. Ducks definately had help in their win, but applaude them for taking advantage of their chances. We didn't. One PP goal, is all we needed... Dude, non-calls are going both ways. I see SO much clutching and grabbing down in the Detroit end. We're each looking through our own team's glasses. There are games where refs give the games away (Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals Tampa vs. NJ) but tonight was not one of them. We didn't score on PP, neither did you. Tonight was about missed opportunities, not reffing. ...you did score on the power play, at the end of the 3rd, on the call that is the subject of this thread... ...you scored on one, and all we needed was to score on one, you did, we didn't... we lose... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 and it's not just our games. if they can see a chance to even halfway believably give the losing team a chance to get in it, they'll do it this is pathetic. i don't even want to win a cup like this. the refs are crafting f***in storylines LIKE GODDAMN WRESTLING. "too many men? ah f*** it, it's late in the third! let's make it exciting" "hey *******, we just lost because of you" "..........oops" Anybody remember 1993,Wings vs Leafs,seventh game playoffs.We are up by a goal with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Dino Ciccarelli gets high sticked in the face while carrying the puck,but no call! One minute later a penalty is called against the Wings,and the Leafs tie it to send into overtime. That skinny kid named Boreshevsky wins it,and sends the Leafs on. The worst loss I had to endure as a Wings fan living near Toronto. The ref for that game,you ask? Koharski. That bastard did it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 our fault? does that make the loss sting less? because you're full of s*** too many men is not hard to miss. at all. it happened around 3 times this game. the third time, with two minutes left. that gets called, and this gam eis over, and you aren't talking about any of these "missed oppurtunities" which wouldn't have taen place if one man in stripes did his ******* job makeup calls, and officials making games exciting, is ruining hockey. Sorry, but I think posts like this after every Wings loss is ruining this board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 Anybody remember 1993,Wings vs Leafs,seventh game playoffs.We are up by a goal with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Dino Ciccarelli gets high sticked in the face while carrying the puck,but no call! One minute later a penalty is called against the Wings,and the Leafs tie it to send into overtime. That skinny kid named Boreshevsky wins it,and sends the Leafs on. The worst loss I had to endure as a Wings fan living near Toronto. The ref for that game,you ask? Koharski. That bastard did it again. :violin: write HIM a letter than, not all of us. until then, please stop this madness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bullocks Report post Posted May 21, 2007 Thank you! I love NHL fans. When you lose it's never because you f'ed up or didnt' play good. It's always the horrible reffeing. We had a chance to seal this game twice with less than 4 minutes left in the game. On our PP and then on Franzen f'ing around with the puck when he had it on his forehand and an open clearing attempt. And I'm sure it wasn't the refs that told Lilja to F around with the puck 8 feet in front of his goalie. We lost this game because we made two collosal errors. The Wings had plenty of opportunities to put this game and the last away. If we lose this series it's our own fault. right when franzen didn't clear that...i knew it was going in the back of our net...i couldn't believe he didn't get that out...he didn't even have to go up the boards with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 :violin: write HIM a letter than, not all of us. until then, please stop this madness. Those that do not learn from history are bound to repeat it. He was a lousy ref then,and why he's still working 14 years later is a mystery to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 This is far from the refs fault. The people we should be blaming here are the Wings themselves. They are the ones who failed to capitlize on, what was it, about 5 or 6 penalties with 3 of them being all in a row, and one of them was a 5-3. The players are the ones at fault, not the refs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bullocks Report post Posted May 21, 2007 ...Wings lost, bottom line... ...if they would've capatailzed on just ONE powerplay, game over, as a matter of fact, they had the same problem in Game 4, so it would have been Series over... ...Dats took a penalty, period. Sure, with the way things were going NON-CALL-wise, it was BS to call that penalty at that point in the game, especially after the couple of too many men and the Penner (sp.) charge that wasn't called. He clearly left his feet, but you CANNOT give the ref ANY reason to call something at that critical point in the game, and it's Datsyuk's fault that we are not going out west up 3 to 2. (which, BTW where has he been that last few games? How about Zetterberg? They need to score.) ...Sure, the Wings had 7 PP chances, and chances are they wouldn't have scored on those if they were called, but if you are going to give a team a mulligan (too many men) with 2 minutes or so to go, you CANNOT call a small hook with less than 1:30 or so to go, giving the team a 6 on 4. Also, when Lilja lost the puck in OT, he was hooked while trying to get back to Selanne, no call. Ducks definately had help in their win, but applaude them for taking advantage of their chances. We didn't. One PP goal, is all we needed... ...you did score on the power play, at the end of the 3rd, on the call that is the subject of this thread... ...you scored on one, and all we needed was to score on one, you did, we didn't... we lose... i didn't see the too many men with 2 minutes left, i seen the one with about what, 5 minutes left? and the refs did give us a chance to go up b4 they gave us that penalty there at the end. even tho it was a bulls*** call, u cant make that call that late in the most crucial game of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 if it's the right call, you make it... it doesn't matter what game its in or how much time is left in the game. this concept of the refs refusing to make a call because it might cost one team the game... shallow. we lost the games, not the officials. aneheim played a very disciplined 2 periods of hockey and even the chances they gave us were not enough to result in a victory... we lost and we'll have a great opportunity to win game 6 and bring the series home for a victory in game 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RockyMountainWingGal 108 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 You cannot blame this on one B.S call - legit or not. I have one thing to add: Mathieu Schneider. We've gotten by on our PP without him so far - but I think the last two games are evidence that it's caught up to us. How many times did the point man miss the pass back or let it go out of the zone? Lidstrom can only be in so many places at one time. Sammy is trying, but we're not where we need to be on the PP obviously right now. Please do not look to the refs for excuses tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NKYWingsFan 4 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 (edited) it's going 7 Yep, and what a game 7 it will be! Edited May 21, 2007 by NKYWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 i didn't see the too many men with 2 minutes left, i seen the one with about what, 5 minutes left? and the refs did give us a chance to go up b4 they gave us that penalty there at the end. even tho it was a bulls*** call, u cant make that call that late in the most crucial game of the year. ...you can and you do, as long as it is consistant. It wasn't, but all we needed is for our LEADER's (Dats, Zetts, Lids, Homer) to score 1 measly PP goal, and we win... ...oh BTW, game 6 will be the most crucial game of the year. If they make that same call and along with all the non-calls, then we'll talk... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sWINGED 0 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 don't worry: the hockey gods aren't gonig to let a team spawned by a disney movie and STILL named the "ducks" ever vandalize the stanley cup by putting its silly stupid name on it. now...that doesn't mean the wings are going to win this series, just saying the ducks are doomed one way or the other. carry on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icteria virens 11 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 Exactly. It's epidemic in the NHL this year. If there is a way for the officials to give a team a chance to tie a game they will give it to them. Like I said I have been pissed off because of this when watching two teams I don't care about. The officiating is inconsistent to downright awful. So many old school fans don't even watch the NHL anymore because the league has become a farce. My parents used to go to a ton of Wings games and never missed a game on TV and now they will go to a game or two every year and will rarely watch a game on TV. I have talked to a lot of people who just don't care anymore. The NHL is no longer about the players but is about how the officials are going to affect the game. Sorta like the NBA used to be when Bettman was there. Bettman was an NBA exec when that league was drowning and the NHL was on the rise. Now with Bettman at the helm the NHL is the laughing stock of professional leagues. Coincidence? cheers from an old-school, older than 25 years, no short term memory problems fan who understands what you're talking "aboot". this league has rally become a farce. Bettman clearly is following the small market, socialist, everybody can win model (with help from officiating) and I really think they've intentionally let the West. Conf. Finals be called loosely to give Anaheim the edge. I've watched the East and strangly it's been called much tighter. What professional sport besides hockey is there where the calls that are penalties in the beginning of the game are not at the end? What sport has a certain set of calls for the regular season and a second set for the playoffs? I agree totally about the lack of consistency in officiating in the NHL. I too have seen what you're talking about evening the score late in the game - this with teams other than Detroit and at times other than the playoffs. The evening out of the calls late in the game has occured in this series but people fail to see it. What about the "interference" call on Lilja last game? when he simply checked a guy along the boards. It's just rediculous and I can't believe they let this go on in the playoffs when everything is on the line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firehawk 305 Report post Posted May 21, 2007 And then there was a hook on the play that led to the winning Anaheim goal. No call. I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that. Nobody's talking about that one. A clear hold. The better matchup is the Wings vs Ottawa. The ducks are going to get smoked in the finals. Let's hope the wings can make it, that'd be a very exciting, offensive series for the NHL...Det vs Ott. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
