barabbas16 499 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Don't crucify me if this has already been discussed - I didn't see it. Ok, so obviously Matthias....but after all is said and done now, what draft pick(s) did we lose? Wasn't one of the 'conditions' on the draft picks that he be in the top six in scoring? - or do I remember that wrong? Obviously, that didn't happen. Can someone help me out with specifics here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsFANstuckintheSOUTH 10 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 I think just the prospect...if he resigns then its a 2nd round pick..Detroit had to go to the finals i believe for Florida to get the 1st rounder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Opie 308 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 That is good to know, I would definitely like to have had to give up a first rounder though!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turretin 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Totally worth it. Awesome job by Holland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Even with a resign... we gave up nothing more than " fictitious possibilties".... would we have drafted someone who became great... perhaps... would we have drafted someone who became a bust... perhaps. Nothing more, nothing less. Great pickup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 1,048 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Judging by the reported conditions of the trade, the Red Wings have given up their 2007 2nd round pick. Bertuzzi played in 2/3rds of the Wings games but was not one of the team's top five (Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Samuelsson, respectively) scorers. If the Wings advanced to the SCF it would've been a 1st-rounder regardless. So, as it stands today, it's Shawn Matthias and a 2007 2nd-rounder. If Bertuzzi re-signs later you can add a 2008 2nd-rounder to the final tally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barabbas16 499 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Judging by the reported conditions of the trade, the Red Wings have given up their 2007 2nd round pick. Bertuzzi played in 2/3rds of the Wings games but was not one of the team's top five (Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Samuelsson, respectively) scorers. If the Wings advanced to the SCF it would've been a 1st-rounder regardless. So, as it stands today, it's Shawn Matthias and a 2007 2nd-rounder. If Bertuzzi re-signs later you can add a 2008 2nd-rounder to the final tally. Many thanks. You've been very helpful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsWingsWings 3 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 So, as it stands today, it's Shawn Matthias and a 2007 2nd-rounder. If Bertuzzi re-signs later you can add a 2008 2nd-rounder to the final tally. I'm ok with that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Judging by the reported conditions of the trade, the Red Wings have given up their 2007 2nd round pick. Bertuzzi played in 2/3rds of the Wings games but was not one of the team's top five (Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Cleary, Samuelsson, respectively) scorers. If the Wings advanced to the SCF it would've been a 1st-rounder regardless. So, as it stands today, it's Shawn Matthias and a 2007 2nd-rounder. If Bertuzzi re-signs later you can add a 2008 2nd-rounder to the final tally. Considering what Nashville, San Jose, and Atlanta gave up for Forsberg, Guerin, and Tkachuk respectively this was a good deal. When you factor in the post-season success these teams had, it seems like Holland did a much better job. Especially since Bertuzzi has a much bertter chance of re-singing than those other three, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Considering what Nashville, San Jose, and Atlanta gave up for Forsberg, Guerin, and Tkachuk respectively this was a good deal. When you factor in the post-season success these teams had, it seems like Holland did a much better job. Especially since Bertuzzi has a much bertter chance of re-singing than those other three, IMO. QFT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CdnWingsFanEh 2 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 I'm happy with the trade. Let's see what happens in the off season (resigning). QFT Ok, I've seen this response many times, but could never figure it out. What does it stand for? Just curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Quit F***in' Trying? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDude 0 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 I'm happy with the trade. Let's see what happens in the off season (resigning). Ok, I've seen this response many times, but could never figure it out. What does it stand for? Just curious. clicki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Nice job Kenny , a 2nd rounder and a prospect for a guy , next season when healthy Is gonna be the best power forward in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Roy 5 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 And UWE KRUPP was a great signing too!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigTex 1 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 And UWE KRUPP was a great signing too!!! What the hell brought that on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CdnWingsFanEh 2 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 clicki Ah thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordie Howe hat trick 110 Report post Posted May 23, 2007 The thing is with Bert I think is that he was keeping himself on a short leash due to the fact that wole court thing isn't settled yet. I beleive once that it all over and done with we will see a more physical Bert who is more adept at scoring. I would like to see him back next year especially if he can get all the legal things settled; to test my theory, and if my theory holds true he may be the fighter that we are looking for to stick up for our guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSandMan Report post Posted May 23, 2007 I'd like to see tuzzi in red and white next year. A heathy Bert = a SCF team! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted May 23, 2007 Turned out to be a very good trade. I don't really care about the first rounder though. We're picking, what, 27th? I think that's right. That, + this drafting because awful makes me not care much. Maybe Esposito and his work ethic/attitude problems will drop all the way to 27. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Draperfan 104 Report post Posted May 24, 2007 And UWE KRUPP was a great signing too!!! Exactly some of these posters here just dont get it Bertuzzi is a bum,a hasbeen 1-He gives the puck away. 2-Hes slow 3-Hes scared to hit 4-He is NOT i repeat NOT a power forward.Maybe he was 4 years ago but thats long gone he will never be that player again EVER.I sncerely hope hes not a Redwing next season,hes part of the reason we lost to the Ducks,how many goals did he cost us with his dumb giveaways? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted May 24, 2007 Considering what Nashville, San Jose, and Atlanta gave up for Forsberg, Guerin, and Tkachuk respectively this was a good deal. When you factor in the post-season success these teams had, it seems like Holland did a much better job. Especially since Bertuzzi has a much bertter chance of re-singing than those other three, IMO. I've heard that Bert wants to play close to his home and family in Ontario; perhaps Detroit's close proximity to the area will help. B.C. certainly is far off. The only teams closer to his home than is Detroit are Buffalo, Ottawa and Toronto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statts 4 Report post Posted May 24, 2007 Ok, I've seen this response many times, but could never figure it out. What does it stand for? Just curious. Quoted for truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EstonianWingsFan#1 0 Report post Posted May 24, 2007 Hey guys, I'd like to say that Bertuzzi definitely was a half-Bertuzzi, we expected more.. but.. I think he should be resigned, I don't think we saw enough of him. He was all season without playing and everyone needs some time. I say we gotta get rid on Lang instead. I think Bertuzzi can't ask the same he could have when he scored 90+ points, so I'm afraid if he is affordable and we won't sign him, someone will get him cheap as underachiever and lately injury prone winger and he will shine next season. No way, let's give him another season. Still, if he's asking too much I wouldn't try to sign him.. I believe he will still bounce back and I definitely have faith in him.. I mean think about it, he bounced straight in between Cup hungry playoff teams, these things require more adjustment. Then, seeing that he isn't exactly what expected yet, they gave him something like 12-13 minutes per game. Have some faith, if he blooms next season, then we all light candles and open beers to salute Holland... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted May 24, 2007 Hey guys, I'd like to say that Bertuzzi definitely was a half-Bertuzzi, we expected more.. but.. I think he should be resigned, I don't think we saw enough of him. He was all season without playing and everyone needs some time. I say we gotta get rid on Lang instead. I think Bertuzzi can't ask the same he could have when he scored 90+ points, so I'm afraid if he is affordable and we won't sign him, someone will get him cheap as underachiever and lately injury prone winger and he will shine next season. No way, let's give him another season. Still, if he's asking too much I wouldn't try to sign him.. I believe he will still bounce back and I definitely have faith in him.. I mean think about it, he bounced straight in between Cup hungry playoff teams, these things require more adjustment. Then, seeing that he isn't exactly what expected yet, they gave him something like 12-13 minutes per game. Have some faith, if he blooms next season, then we all light candles and open beers to salute Holland... I agree. I have no problems signing him to a salary in the 3m range. Give him a shot in my mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
